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Subject: Agenda for ODF TC Teleconference - 8 February 2016


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Dear TC members,

Below you find a draft agenda for our TC call on Monday, 2016-02-01.

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2016&mont
h=2&day=8&hour=14&min=30&sec=0&p1=25&iv=1800

The call counts towards voter eligibility.

Teleconference Numbers

Canada - (use US number)

Denmark - +45 78 77 25 34

Germany - +49 30 255550324

Hungary - +36 1 987 6874

The Netherlands - +31 6 35205016

USA - +1 641-715-3580

Access code (for all numbers): 438-387

Chat room for meeting is at: http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/odf

Agenda
- ------

1. Dial-In, Roll Call, Determination of Quorum and Voting Rights

2. Motion (simple majority): Approve the Agenda

3. Motion (simple majority): Approve the Minutes from former TC calls -

- - 2016-02-08 (draft) attached.

4. Action Items:

A. Office-1431 - Thorsten to extract actionable issues

B. Patrick to request upgrade for subversion

B. Commits - Patrick to upload ODF versions with issue numbers for
comparison to base version of file.

5. Commits to Be Approved (Questions/Discussions welcome) (cont. from
01 February 2016)

OFFICE-3883 Proposal: chart legend size
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3883/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3883_

OFFICE-3882 wrong reference to "table 12 in 19.644" in 19.468, 19.596
and 19.635 in part 1
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3882/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3882_

OFFICE-3879 In function floor, mode<>0 rounds toward zero, not away
from zero
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3879/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3879_

OFFICE-3877 Re-add text from v1.0 about <table:covered-table-cell>
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3877/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3877_

OFFICE-3876 19.678 table:number-rows-spanned talks about columns
instead of rows
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3876/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3876_

These commits were first published in the agenda for 25 January 2016.
Assuming there are no questions or concerns, the TC will be asked to
approve these commits to appear in the next ODF 1.3 draft.

6. First Review Commits (Questions welcome) (cont. from 01 February 2016
)

OFFICE-3876 19.678 table:number-rows-spanned talks about columns
instead of rows
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3876/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3876_

OFFICE-3874 OpenDocument-v1.2-os-dsig-schema.rng Reference to ODF 1.3
Part 3
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3874/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3874_

OFFICE-3873 PAS Comment JP2: Semantics of the interactions of the
change-tracking elements are unclear
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3873/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3873_


OFFICE-3871 PAS Comment JP7: Incorrect Type in ds:Reference
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3871/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3871_

OFFICE-3870 PAS Comment JP6: Clarify singular nature of ds:Reference
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3870/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3870_

7. JIRA Issues for discussion:

Spreadsheet: JIRA-Issues-ODF-TC-08February2016.ods (attached)

Removed processed issues but no new issues.

8. New comments on the comments list since last TC call
[none so far]

9. Next meeting: 2016-02-15 at 14:30 UTC.

9.  Adjournment

Hope everyone is at the start of a great week!

Patrick

PS: If we sustain our current pace say to the end of March, let's
think about having an "invite a friend to the ODF TC meeting for
mid-April" or so. We will have several months of solid work as a track
record and interesting issues to discuss (or we can fix the agenda for
that day to have interesting issues. ;-)

- -- 
Patrick Durusau
patrick@durusau.net
Technical Advisory Board, OASIS (TAB)
OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
Co-Editor 13250-5 (Topic Maps)

Another Word For It (blog): http://tm.durusau.net
Homepage: http://www.durusau.net
Twitter: patrickDurusau

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1. Dial-In, Roll Call, Determination of Quorum and Voting Rights

9:30 AM EST

9:35 AM EST - Roll Call

Quorum

+Andreas Guelzow

+Regina Henschel

+Darrin House

+Thomas O'Reilly

+Peter Rakyta

+Svante Schubert

+Michael Stahl

+Jos van den Oever

+Patrick Durusau

Names of voting members preceded by "+"

Voting members 9 out of 11 - 81%

81 percent quorum 

2. Motion (simple majority): Approve the Agenda

Unanimous consent - Approved.

3. Motion (simple majority): Approve Previous Minutes

- 2016-01-25 (draft)

Unanimous consent - approved minutes of 2016-01-25

4. Action Items

A. Office-1431 - Thorsten to extract actionable issues - defer

B. Commits - Jos will develop links to show diffs - done, checking on email distribution

C. Regina adding style to component on issues (status check) - done - list of issues needs to be extracted.

5: Office-1503 - Diagonal Table Header -
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-1503

Peter Junge volunteered to join the ODF call to go over his proposal from several years ago about diagonal table headers. See the chat log (below) for the details but Peter will attempt to contact some of his colleagues who are current active on document formats about our need for assistance on this issue. 

This issue will come back up in 30 days for a status check on what further information or contacts have been made at that time.

The TC had a lively discussion with Peter and his assistance is deeply appreciated.

6. Soft-page-breaks in tables - Continued from 25 January 2016.

https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-1870

https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-1871

Vertical soft page breaks are complicated because ODf allows multiple ranges on a single sheet. Solution is likely to require refinement of the definition of range. 

Disposition: continue with OFFICE-1871, set for ODF 1.3 and close OFFICE-1870.
By consent.

Brief discussion of the difficulty of displaying changes for commits. Upshot is that Patrick will produce ODF versions of commits for comparison in OpenOffice. Michael Stahl suggests OASIS upgrade its svn installation (has better highlighting).


Further agenda items not reached and moved to next meeting, 08 February 2016.

Meeting adjourned at 10:31 AM EST.

************************************

For your reference, the chat log from 01 February 2016.

anonymous morphed into Jos van den Oever
Patrick: 81% quorum
Patrick: consent on agenda
Patrick: consent on minutes from Jan 25th
Patrick: A. 1431 - no report
anonymous morphed into Peter Junge
Patrick: B. Jos - links to show diffs - done - but hasn't gone to list -
Patrick: versioning of files on versioning files in zip file -pierre - ODF-Later
Patrick: C. style added to components - done - needs query on style component to derive the list
Patrick: UOF 2.0
Patrick: UOF 1.0
Patrick: Peter - can contact colleagues in China to see if they want to help with this proposal -
Patrick: Estimates of implementation would take several weeks
Patrick: some alpha code in RedOffice but has disappeared
Patrick: RedOffice that is
Patrick: but no known implementations of this proposal
Patrick: Q - can the four information items in the diagonal cell be addressed by the spreadsheet? - a future version
Patrick: Could treat as an object to be embedded in the diagonal cell -
Patrick: would a custom object be simply visual and not interact with the other cells?
Jos van den Oever: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/10/what-are-chinese-tables.html some more examples
Jos van den Oever: Patrick: yes a custom object would not interact with the other cells
Patrick: Bring back up for status check end of February 2016 -
Patrick: soft-page breaks
Patrick: https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-1870
Patrick: https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-1871
Patrick: row page-break - software makes soft break and breaks the page (calculated and record kept)
Patrick: column page-break - same calculation but on page width and keep a record
Patrick: Jos pagination for a spreadsheet is vertical and horizonal
Patrick: Regina responds: not possible horizonal - do not print speadsheet, only print print ranges
Patrick: In one print range, need to make column breaks and in the next print range, don't need to make it
Patrick: but the same column is in both print ranges - not possible to put the information about the column
Patrick: Regina's issues that you can have different print ranges for one printing, not successive printing for a continuous range
Patrick: Jos  but the question is whether we should be doing this, not the implementation details
Patrick: Jos -> Andreas
Patrick: Possible in Excel now, would be good to have for Gnumeric.
Patrick: ODF has several ranges on a single sheet, and that's where it gets complicated.
Patrick: Andreas wants to go on with Office-1870 and close Office-1871 - ODF 1.3 or ODF-Later, don't care
Patrick: Regina, can restrict column breaks - such as one print range, or to which pieces it refers, think about refining definition of range -
Patrick: Continue Office-1870, Close Office-1871 - set to ODF-1.3
Patrick: disposition of 1870 and 1871 - by consent.
Patrick: Regina - tried this one but found it very difficult to see what has changed - OFFICE-3883 Proposal: chart legend size - Is possible to use compare in Open Office to see changes.
Patrick: Move commits for #7 to Feb. 8th -
Patrick: Action item - Create ODF documents for those commits and post to OASIS repository - Patrick
Michael Stahl: http://trunk.websvn.info/diff.php?repname=WebSVN&path=%2Ftrunk%2Ftemplates%2FElegant%2Fstyles.css&rev=1289&peg=1289
Patrick: Michael - ask OASIS to upgrade to the latest SVN -
Michael Stahl: WebSVN trunk can display nicely what parts of a long line have actually changed, see link above, the OASIS installation is outdated
Patrick: adjourn - consent
Svante Schubert: bye



































7. Commits to Be Approved (Questions/Discussions welcome)

OFFICE-3883 Proposal: chart legend size
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3883/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3883_

OFFICE-3882 wrong reference to "table 12 in 19.644" in 19.468, 19.596
and 19.635 in part 1
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3882/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3882_

OFFICE-3879 In function floor, mode<>0 rounds toward zero, not away
from zero
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3879/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3879_

OFFICE-3877 Re-add text from v1.0 about <table:covered-table-cell>
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3877/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3877_

OFFICE-3876 19.678 table:number-rows-spanned talks about columns
instead of rows
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3876/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3876_

These commits were first published in the agenda for 25 January 2016.
Assuming there are no questions or concerns, the TC will be asked to
approve these commits to appear in the next ODF 1.3 draft.

8. First Review Commits (Questions welcome)

OFFICE-3876 19.678 table:number-rows-spanned talks about columns
instead of rows
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3876/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3876_

OFFICE-3874 OpenDocument-v1.2-os-dsig-schema.rng Reference to ODF 1.3
Part 3
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3874/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3874_

OFFICE-3873 PAS Comment JP2: Semantics of the interactions of the
change-tracking elements are unclear
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3873/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3873_


OFFICE-3871 PAS Comment JP7: Incorrect Type in ds:Reference
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3871/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3871_

OFFICE-3870 PAS Comment JP6: Clarify singular nature of ds:Reference
https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/office/branches
/v1.3_OFFICE-3870/#_branches_v1.3_OFFICE-3870_

6. JIRA Issues for discussion:

Spreadsheet: JIRA-Issues-ODF-TC-01February2016.ods (attached)

I removed issues we processed today but given the other items on the
agenda, did not add any new issues.

7. New comments on the comments list since last TC call
[none so far]

8. Next meeting: 2016-02-08 at 14:30 UTC.

9.  Adjournment

Attachment: JIRA-Issues-ODF-TC-08-February2016.ods
Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet



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