Fwd: ISO requirements and edits to consider to ODF

[Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net>]

Greetings!

Progress on ODF 1.3!

Mostly checking to make sure we meet all the requirements.

Doing a conversion using Word to see how it handles formulas into 
MathType, will report on that next Monday.

Agenda for next Monday will follow soon.

Hope everyone is having a great week!

Patrick



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Subject: 	Re: ISO requirements and edits to consider to ODF
Date: 	Wed, 8 Jun 2022 11:48:31 -0400
From: 	Chet Ensign <chet.ensign@oasis-open.org>
To: 	Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net>
CC: 	Jamie Clark <jamie.clark@oasis-open.org>



Sure - just wanted to start with you.

/chet

On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 11:43 AM Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net> wrote:

   I can share this will the TC, yes? Thought I should ask first.
   Thanks guys!

   Chet, Jamie,

   Thanks!

   Tentative responses below:

   On 6/8/22 10:46, Chet Ensign wrote:
    > Hi Patrick,
    >
    > Jamie and I have been reviewing the ISO rules and Part 2
   directives to
    > determine what changes we may want to suggest making
    > (https://www.iso.org/sites/directives/current/part2/index.xhtml and,
    > in particular,
    >
   https://www.iso.org/sites/directives/current/part2/index.xhtml#_idTextAnchor140).

    > While Part 2 has a big list of requirements, Annex F now says very
    > clearly that PAS and Fast Track submissions are generally exempted
    > from Directives Part 2, subject to bargaining with the publications
    > office.
    >
    > In that spirit of bargaining, we'd like to suggest the following
    > changes to make submission go smoother and then see if our inside
    > mentors and editors at JTC1 believe it's acceptable.
    >
    > - Submit the documents in MS Word. Would this pose a problem for
   you?
    > I realize that, with your extensive use of math expressions and
    > cross-references, there might be some glitches from 'save as.' But
    > while we've submitted both ODF and DOCX in the past, their
   production
    > process relies on DOCX, so providing that format could remove one
    > obstacle.
    >
   We'll have to test that and compare the results but I suspect that will
   be successful. But that's a suspicion only.
    > - Looks to me like you've used ISO keywords throughout already, yes?
   Yes.
    >
    > - We suggest making some nominal changes to the organization of the
    > content to align with ISO's requirements
    >
   (https://www.iso.org/sites/directives/current/part2/index.xhtml#_idTextAnchor140)
    >
    > Â Â-- Modify part titles (if needed) to meet section 11 Title
   requirements
    >
    > Â Â-- Make sure Introductions do not contain any normative
   statements
    > (section 13 Introduction)
    >
    > Â Â-- Compare Scope sections with the requirements of section 14
   Scope
    >
    > - Hanging paragraphs, section 22.3.3 - I know you are ferocious on
    > that practice generally and I didn't see any instances of it but
   might
    > be worth a fast check
    >
    > - Table/figure numbering - We ought to comply with tables and
   figures
    > numbering as described in Part 2, Secs 28.4 and 29.3-29.4. It looks
    > like we do but worth reviewing
    >
    > - Note Sec 33.1 (conformity assessment) -- is there anything in the
    > current ODF v1.3 that does not meet this test?
    >
    > - Suggest renaming the Non Normative References section to
    > 'Bibliography' however not moving it to be the final annex so as not
    > to mess up your ToC numbering
    >
   Will verify all of the above meets the requirements.
    > - Part 2 requires mathematical expressions to be done using MathType
    > v6.9 or higher. Expressions done as Images or using LaTex, MathML,
    > MathCAD, or Word drawings won't be accepted. Does ODF v1.3 meet that
    > requirement? If not, we can ask if we can ship it our way now.
    >
   Interesting question and one to which I don't have an immediate answer.
   Here's what one implementation says about converting to and from
   MathType:

   *****

   For formulas, any embedded MathType objects must not exceed the
   MathType
   3.1 specifications to be successfully loaded and converted. Information
   on MathType format can be found at
   https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathtype/office_tools/microsoft_office.

   *****

   What I don't know and will have to test, is whether the import into
   Word
   converts the ODF math formulas into MathType, whatever version. If that
   happens and it happens successfully, this may not be an issue
   because of
   your first request to convert to MS Word. But, that's speculation on my
   part.

    > - All graphics must be included as separate files in a revisable
    > (vector-drawn) graphics format. I saw only one graphic that looked a
    > bit like an I Ching hexagram so that doesn't seem like a big deal.
    >
   There are more graphics than one, but I don't have a precise count.
   Will
   have to check on that with the conversion as well.
    > - Jamie notes that, as a rule, ISO doesn't like lists of
   contributors.
    > So perhaps modify Appendix A to be a link to the OASIS copy. E.g.
   'For
    > the list of participants in the creation of the standard, see <link>.
    >
   Understood.
    > - Consider renaming 'Appendix' to 'Annex', the ISO term.
    >
   Sure.
    > Have a look and let us know what you think. Unless the math
    > requirement causes problems, we should be OK.
    >
   I'll try to experiment with the conversion and math stuff this week.

   This should keep me out of trouble for a day or so. ;-)

   Patrick



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