RE: [oic] Changes required to submitted document - The State of ODF Interoperability Version 1.0 Committee Draft 06

["Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>]

I think it is clean copies of all three, plus a separate change-tracked
version (I prefer .PDF for that because of client implementation and setting
differences, and you could make sure the colors work for your eyes [;<).

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 17:48
To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
Cc: 'Kim Goolsby'; 'Mary McRae'; oic@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [oic] Changes required to submitted document - The State of ODF
Interoperability Version 1.0 Committee Draft 06

So what do we give then?  Change tracked version of ODF only, and then 
clean copies of PDF and HTML? 

But that doesn't make all three copies the same, which was what Kim was 
mentioning.

-Rob

"Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> wrote on 10/07/2010 
08:30:31 PM:
> 
> I think what is being pointed out is that full, changes-accepted 
versions
> are reviewed, but that supplemental change-tracked copies are provided 
for
> the use of reviewers in addition to the clean, final-form versions.
> 
> This is how I have seen it happening on other TCs.
> 
>  - Dennis
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 16:24
> To: Kim Goolsby
> Cc: Mary McRae; oic@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [oic] Changes required to submitted document - The State of 
ODF
> Interoperability Version 1.0 Committee Draft 06
> 
> Hi Kim,
> 
> I think Mary was asking to accept all of the changes in the HTML 
version, 
> but only the changes on the cover and footer on the other versions. 
> 
> Or am I misunderstanding her three requests?
> 
> Making all three documents identical is certainly possible, but then 
we're 
> not showing change tracking, which we're required to do as well.
> 
> -Rob
> 
> Kim Goolsby <kim.goolsby@oasis-open.org> wrote on 10/07/2010 05:40:10 
PM:
> 
> > 
> > Re: [oic] Changes required to submitted document - The State of ODF 
> > Interoperability Version 1.0 Committee Draft 06
> > 
> > The files still don't quite match. For the html, all changes were 
> > approved, so we see no markup. However, the odt & pdf files still 
> > show markup in the appendices. We need all three versions to be 
> > identical. Would you mind accepting all changes in the odt file, 
> > then re-generating it & and the pdf files?
> > 
> > Thanks much!
> 
> > On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:38 PM, <robert_weir@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > Mary McRae <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> wrote on 10/07/2010 04:08:24 
PM:
> > 
> > >
> > > Hi Rob,
> > >
> > >   Please make the following changes:
> > >
> > > 1. Accept change tracking on cover pages/running footers. The result
> > > is impossible to read. (see html screenshot below)
> > >
> > > [attachment "2010-10-07_15.57.49.png" deleted by Robert
> > Weir/Cambridge/IBM]
> > >
> > 
> > OK.
> > 
> > 
> > > 2. I have no idea where the use of gold came from for noting
> > > insertions and deletions. It's not part of the style; please revert 
to
> > black.
> > >
> > 
> > I think this is an app setting, not part of the style.  The color of 
the
> > change tracking varies by the user, so you can distinguish the changes
> > from multiple users.  Why it picked gold for my color is a mystery. In
> > any case, I overrode the automatic color assignment in
> > Tools\Options\Writer\Changes, to make it all black.
> > 
> > > 3. Since the change marks aren't properly displayed in the html
> > > version, please approve all changes and then produce the html file.
> > >
> > 
> > Done.
> > 
> > >
> > > None of these changes should require a new TC vote; please send
> > > updated files to Kim.
> > >
> > 
> > Attached are the revised files.  Thanks again!
> > 
> > -Rob
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Mary
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:52 AM, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Kim,
> > > >
> > > > What you will see with the ODT file will depend on your view mode 
in
> > your
> > > > app.
> > > >
> > > > If you are using OpenOffice.org you can go to Edit/Changes/Show 
and
> > you
> > > > should see change tracking.  That should reveal Appendix B as 
well. 
> My
> > 
> > > > guess is the TOC inconsistency is just  a limitation in OO.  But 
it
> > looks
> > > > right to me if you enable show change tracking.  Of course, after 
> the
> > > > review, when we "accept" all changes, these issues go away as 
well.
> > > >
> > > > If you need the ODT file to show the changes by default, you can 
> just
> > > > re-save the document after enabling that setting.  Or if you want 
I
> > can
> > > > upload a new version with that enabled.  But before I do that, 
could
> > you
> > > > try it on your machine and let me know whether there are any other
> > changes
> > > > required, or whether that clears up the other inconsistencies you 
> were
> > 
> > > > reporting?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > -Rob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kim Goolsby <kim.goolsby@oasis-open.org> wrote on 10/07/2010 
> 08:19:15
> > AM:
> > > >>
> > > >> Subject:
> > > >>
> > > >> Re: [oic] Changes required to submitted document - The State of 
ODF
> > > >> Interoperability Version 1.0 Committee Draft 06
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Rob,
> > > >>
> > > >> The odt file does not show the markup, just the html & pdf files 
> do.
> > > >> I've attached pictures of each file's title page to illustrate 
what 
> I
> > 
> > > > mean.
> > > >>
> > > >> Also, the odt file shows two appendix A's. The html & pdf files 
> show
> > > >> Appendix A & B.
> > > >>
> > > >> The odt file is different from the html & pdf files in two 
aspects.
> > > >> So, it appears that the odt file was not used to generate the pdf 
&
> > > >> html files.
> > > >>
> > > >> I believe that all the files should look like the attached odt 
> (once
> > > >> the appendix numbering [lettering] is corrected). Mary will 
correct
> > > >> me if I'm wrong but I haven't QC'd other specs at this stage that
> > > >> show markup. Instead, a diff file was delivered with the spec.
> > > >>
> > > >> Please let me know of any other questions and comments.
> > > >>
> > > >> Best,
> > > >> Kim
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:14 PM, <robert_weir@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > >> Kim,
> > > >>
> > > >> Can you give us some examples of what you mean by "shows markup
> > rather
> > > >> than the final view"?   Since this is a follow-up 15-day public
> > review,
> > > > I
> > > >> believe that we are required to show the change tracking from the
> > > > previous
> > > >> public review.  That probably explains everything that you are
> > seeing.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -Rob
> > > >>
> > > >> Kim Goolsby <kim.goolsby@oasis-open.org> wrote on 10/06/2010 
> 04:15:28
> > 
> > > > PM:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [oic] Changes required to submitted document - The State of ODF
> > > >>> Interoperability Version 1.0 Committee Draft 06
> > > >>>
> > > >>> TCADMIN-245
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please make the following changes to this document:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 1. Please change the Revision History appendix to Appendix B.
> > > >>> Appendix B shows in the Table of Contents but the actual header 
on
> > > >>> page 17 of the odt file shows Appendix A.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 2. The html file's title page shows garbled information. Please
> > > >>> regenerate this file, making sure that 'Hidden Paragraphs' &
> > > >>> 'Nonprinting Characters' are turned off in the 'View' menu.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 3. The pdf file also shows markup rather than the final view. 
> Please
> > > >>> regenerate this file, making sure that 'Hidden Paragraphs' &
> > > >>> 'Nonprinting Characters' are turned off in the 'View' menu.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please let me know of any questions or comments.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thank you,
> > > >>> Kim
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Kim Goolsby
> > > >>> Publications Specialist
> > > >>> OASIS Open: Advancing open standards for the information society
> > > >>> email: kim.goolsby@oasis-open.org
> > > >>> web: www.oasis-open.org
> > > >>> phone: 1.734.223.6890
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Kim Goolsby
> > > >> Publications Specialist
> > > >> OASIS Open: Advancing open standards for the information society
> > > >> email: kim.goolsby@oasis-open.org
> > > >> web: www.oasis-open.org
> > > >> phone: 1.734.223.6890[attachment "state of interop html.png" 
> deleted
> > > >> by Robert Weir/Cambridge/IBM] [attachment "state of interop 
> pdf.png"
> > > >> deleted by Robert Weir/Cambridge/IBM] [attachment "state of 
interop
> > > >> odt.png" deleted by Robert Weir/Cambridge/IBM]
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Kim Goolsby
> > Publications Specialist
> > OASIS Open: Advancing open standards for the information society
> > email: kim.goolsby@oasis-open.org 
> > web: www.oasis-open.org
> > phone: 1.734.223.6890
> 
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