OIC TC 2011-01-12 Meeting Minutes

["Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>]

OIC COORDINATION CALL
Date:  Wednesday 12 January 2011
Time:  14:30 - 15:30 UT


1. LOGISTICS
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The chat room: <http://webconf.soaphub.org/conf/room/oic>
 (doesn't count for attendance)

The call-in numbers: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/200903/msg00017.html>
Meeting agendas also provide the pass codes and the call-in numbers:
<http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201101/msg00000.html>


The action items (log-in required):
<http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oic/members/action_items.php>


1.1 ROLL CALL AND QUORUM CHECK
7 of 8 Voting members attended, satisfying the 5 of 8 requirement for a quorum.

    MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE

    * Bart Hanssens, Fedict (Chair)
    * Mingfei Jia, IBM
    * Robert Weir, IBM
    * Andreas Guelzow, Individual
    * Dennis Hamilton, Individual (Secretary)
    * Cherie Ekholm, Microsoft
      Bernd Eilers, Oracle Corporation
    * Louis Suarez-Potts, Oracle Corporation

      [* = Voting Member at start of meeting (7)
       + = becoming Voting Member at conclusion of meeting (0)
       = = Persistent Non-Voting Member (0)]

    MEMBERS ABSENT

      Charles Schulz, Ars Aperta
      Alex Wang, Beijing Sursen International 
      Jeremy Allison, Google Inc.
    * Don Harbison, IBM
      Peter Junge, Individual
      Doug Mahugh, Microsoft
      Eric Patterson, Microsoft
      Alan Clark, Novell
    = Michael Brauer, Oracle Corporation
      Daniel Rentz, Oracle Corporation
      Andrew Rist, Oracle Corporation
    = Svante Schubert, Oracle Corporation
      Tom Rabon, Red Hat
      Jerry Smith, US Department of Defense

      [* = Voting Member at start and end of meeting (1)
       - = Voting Member becoming non-voting Member at end of meeting (0)
       = = Persistent Non-Voting Member (2)]

1.2 ACCEPTANCE OF PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES

Minutes for the 2010-12-01 Meeting, accepted without objection 
 <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201012/msg00005.html>


1.3 ACCEPTANCE OF TODAY'S AGENDA: accepted without objection
 <http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/oic/201101/msg00000.html>


2. STATUS OF ACTION ITEMS

  #0015 Template Scenarios.  No progress.
  #0026 Test Scenarios.  No report.
  #0033 Best Practices for Document Authors.  Rob is starting on this.  It is next-up now that the State of Interoperability is complete.  He is going to use the Committee Note template.
  #0034 Interop Demo Videos.  Bart has received the DVDs and needs to do more work to manage to duplicate them.
  #0041 Battery of ODF 1.2 Feature Probes. No progress.

3. STATUS OF OTHER WORK ITEMS
3.1 Interop Advisories
    There has been no change, Bart hasn't started doing new ones and there may be an opportunity to create some following the UK plugfest
  Thinking about publishing a technical note on the 3-4 that are approved at this time

4. 2011 PLANNING / DELIVERABLES
  Rob would like to get through the Best Practice process in 1Q.
  In discussion of periodicity of State of Interop, annual seems good. Rob thinks that would mean targeting 4Q, and it will change as new releases and implementations come out.
  Annual might be a good cycle for Interop Advisories Technical Report too.  The information there is more timely and maybe we could try to have a public review more frequently.  Do that 3x per year, then once annually going through the complete process.  Advisories can also refer to the other documents - test documents and scenarios
  Other deliverables such as test documents would be done along the way.  One form could be a Committee Note Draft (CND) that describes the test cases and expected outcomes and accompany by a Zip of the actual documents.  
  The process could also apply for scenarios.  This is a little bit different than a test case.
  Could look at a specific area and work through the set, such as digital signatures, etc.

5. ROUND TABLE

5.1 ODF Plugfest UK, February 24-25 2011.

The Thursday is coordinated with OIC, the Friday one will be handled locally.
Bart would like to see more on ODF 1.2 for this Plugfest.  
One prospect is RDF features.  Rob has a presentation on that, although it is not a test scenario, but it does show the challenges, especially because there is no behavior associated with RDF.  There are a couple of levels to look at - first tolerance for the presence of the RDF, is it retained, and is there any semantic interoperability.  
  Other features: OpenFormula, Presentation Tables, Database connections, question on some of these could maybe show up in the probes.
  Louis is interested in the database front ends and how they end up working interoperably.
  There will be more to test in Digital Signatures.
  There is also an interest in Web Interop with ODF and maintaining interop between desktop and web interface experiences.
  For the practical part, the web site has been created by the UK host, 
< http://plugtest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php>.
  There will be mail to the Plugfest mailing list.

5.2 Other Events

FOSDEM is on February 5-6.  There is no room established for ODF, although LibreOffice will have a room.  There might also be a room on accessibility issues.  

SCALEX in Southern California is requesting an ODF room.

Louis is interested in cross-standard interoperability (OOXML, UOF, etc.) and would like to see more presentation on cross-standard accommodations and encourage participation of groups involved in other standards, particularly UOF.

There were observations that there are proposals for improvements to ODF/OOXML for Asian writing styles.

There was also talk about feature request to ODF TC versus checking on current provisions that may not be implemented well in current implementations in regard to Asian writing styles.

Louis wants some proactive steps to generate momentum in this area.  Rob thinks there could be an ODF TC SC that could set its own schedule and language and then produce something for the main TC to incorporate into future specifications.  The accessibility SC is a model of this.

Louis wants this as an agenda item here.  It was recommended that there be a public comment on the ODF TC encouraging attention to the Asian writing styles question.  Rob says what is needed is help with the outreach.  Rob can write a note over there, requesting participation of domain experts.  


6. FUTURE MEETING PLANNING

The next call will be 2011-01-26.  It will be a short meeting, probably 20 minutes or so.


Respectfully submitted,

  Dennis E. Hamilton, OIC TC Secretary