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Subject: Re: [openc2] Re: Standing Rule 4: Election and Term of OpenC2 Co-chairs


Hi,

one reflection of mine on the "larger movement":

As a standing rule I think many things are good (per TC) but as
wholesale OASIS rule not to elect for life to me seems to cover
not those initiatives that needed an extra push to reach the initial
goal (transitions from intra and inter corporate "groups" into OASIS
sometimes expose a certain loss of momentum) so in this case I imagine
for myself it would ahve been an awkward feeling to provide volontary
service pro bono and at the same time have the stale ideas of management
by objectives hanging around - but anyway you guys will know what you
need to propell OpenC2 best "direction future".

All the best,
Stefan
Am 06.12.18 um 15:04 schrieb Chet Ensign:
Hi Duncan - actually, the rule isn't that the TC is disbanded. If a TC
has no chair, it simply has to stop all other work until a new chair is
elected. If the chair seat remains vacant for more than 120 days, TC
Admin may close the TC (but not 'must').

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 8:54 AM duncan sfractal.com <http://sfractal.com>
<duncan@sfractal.com <mailto:duncan@sfractal.com>> wrote:

    One more point in support of staggered terms. My understanding of
    OASIS rules is that the TC disbands if it does not have at least one
    chair. By staggering the terms we avoid a lot of clauses weâd have
    to add about the current chair staying in place in the event the
    term expires without an election having reached a majority for the
    new chair.____

    __ __

    Duncan Sparrell____

    sFractal Consulting LLC____

    iPhone, iTypo, iApologize____

    I welcome VSRE emails. Learn more at http://vsre.info/____

    __ __

    __ __

    *From: *TC OpenC2 <openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
    <mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>> on behalf of
    "duncan@sfractal.com <mailto:duncan@sfractal.com>"
    <duncan@sfractal.com <mailto:duncan@sfractal.com>>
    *Date: *Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 7:45 PM
    *To: *TC OpenC2 <openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
    <mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>>
    *Subject: *[openc2] Standing Rule 4: Election and Term of OpenC2
    Co-chairs __ __

    __ __

    I would like to reiterate several points Joe mentioned and propose
    some changes.____

     ____

    According to standard OASIS practices, elections are for life terms
    and I wholeheartedly support periodic re-elections. I have even
    suggested this to OASIS as a whole for all TCâs and my understanding
    is this is under consideration. Since OASIS uses 2 year terms for
    OASIS  Board, I think two year terms is very appropriate. I think
    the SR wording should be changed to 2 years instead of 24 months. 24
    months implies a precision that I donât think is intended. OASIS
    Board uses 2 years and I think that is what we should use.____

     ____

    I think staggering terms by 1 year is better than potentially
    changing both cochairs at same time. It also makes the election
    easier (just voting for one position). I do think the âcurrentâ
    terms should run until June so the current chairs can serve their
    full two years (ie no need to cut it short). So I propose the SR be
    modified to June. This would also give us time to do nominations one
    meeting, election next (January seems rushed).____

     ____

    I am against term-limits. People should be allowed to continue if
    they want to and if the group wants them to,____

     ____

    Election of a cochair requires a majority of voting members voting
    for one candidate. I think âinstant runoffâ is both more fair and
    more time-efficient if there are 3 or more candidates for a
    position. Instead of voting for a single candidate, you rank order
    your choices. This is considered more fair by many involved with
    elections. It is more likely to support âthe will of the peopleâ
    when there are âsplit voteâ scenarios. More importantly from our
    viewpoint, it may save having to vote again if no winner in round 1.
    Note it may even help if only two candidates and enough people
    considered their second choice acceptable enough to include. I
    recognize instant runoff may be logistically challenging to do by
    January (but we could potentially do by June or in future
    elections).____

     ____

    I propose the election of the TC cochair occur prior to the cochairs
    in the agenda. I assume this would be the case (was in the inaugural
    TC meeting) but worth stating,____

     ____

    Duncan Sparrell____

    sFractal Consulting LLC____

    iPhone, iTypo, iApologize____

    I welcome VSRE emails. Learn more at http://vsre.info/____

     ____

     ____

    *From: *TC OpenC2 <openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
    <mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>> on behalf of Joseph Brule
    <jmbrule@radium.ncsc.mil <mailto:jmbrule@radium.ncsc.mil>>
    *Date: *Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 9:53 AM
    *To: *TC OpenC2 <openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
    <mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>>
    *Subject: *[openc2] Standing Rule 4: Election and Term of OpenC2
    Co-chairs ____

     ____

    OpenC2 Technical Committee, ____

     ____

    Please refer to the November 13 email, subject âAdopt a standing
    rule to define 'duration of term' for the Technical and Subcommittee
    co-chairsâ____

     ____

    I have not heard any objections to the principle of having a defined
    term and regularly scheduled elections for the co-chairs, in fact
    the feedback I have received so far is supportive.  ____

     ____

    At our next meeting (December 19), I will make a motion to create a
    ballot for our forth standing rule.  The standing rule will require
    a full majority to pass (that is greater than 50% of the voting
    members must vote yes).    ____

     ____

    Here is a draft of SR-4.  Please do violence with your red pens. ____

     ____

    SR-4:  Election and term of OpenC2 Co-chairs____

    __1.       __The Technical Committee (TC) and each subcommittee (SC)
    shall elect two co-chairs ____

    __a.       __A co-chairâs term shall be 24 months____

    __b.       __The period of each co-chair for the TC or an SC is
    offset by 12 months ____

    __2.       __The TC shall hold open elections in the month of
    January ____

    __c.       __All TC members (to include the incumbent co-chairs
    whose terms are up) are eligible for nomination to an office____

    __d.       __In the event of a vacancy (such as a co-chair stepping
    down prior to the conclusion of their term), a replacement will be
    elected to complete the term ____

     ____

    Here are some initial comments that I have received.  Please provide
    your comments and your opinion on the comments received.  ____

     ____

    Duncan Sparrell suggested that we hold the elections in June (rather
    than January)  to coincide with the month that the TC was stood up.
    I picked January for no particular reason and I do not have a strong
    opinion.   If anyone has a preference, let me know. ____

     ____

    Duncan Sparrell suggested that we conduct the election via an
    âInstant Runoffâ mechanism.  For those who are unfamiliar with the
    instant runoff procedures, refer to
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting.  I am fine with
    the notion of using instant runoffs, but that would merit its own SR
    (I think) because voting applies to more than just co-chair
    elections.  We could add a line after point five along the lines of
    âIn the event that there are three or more candidates for a single
    position, then the instant runoff procedures as described in SR-X
    shall be usedâ.  ____

     ____

    Bret Jordan suggested that we remove the offset, i.e. all co-chair
    positions come up for election simultaneously.  I think there is
    value in the offset for continuity of operations.   There is also a
    practical issue;  We have a total of eight co-chairs, there could be
    a challenge in finding eight volunteers simultaneously.  ____

     ____

    Bret Jordan suggested that we not allow a person to serve as
    co-chair for two consecutive terms.  The guidance I received from
    Chet Ensign in this matter was âI discussed this with the Board's
    Process Committee when it first came up. We agree that holding
    periodic chair elections didn't violate the TC Process so long as
    everyone could stand including the current chairs. There is nothing
    in the rules at present would give us grounds for hard term limitsâ ____

     ____

    Bret Jordan suggested another standing rule that any one
    organization is not permitted to have more than one co-chair in the
    TC at a time.  My opinion:  At the OASIS Technical Committee level,
     membership is based on individuals, not organizations, that is 1
    member = one vote, not one company=1 vote, therefore I do not see
    the basis nor agree with the notion of limiting member
    participation. ____

     ____

    Thank you ____

     ____

    VR____

     ____

    Joe Brule ____

     ____

    _____________________________________________
    *From:* Brule, Joseph M
    *Sent:* Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:10 AM
    *To:* 'openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
    <mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>' <openc2@lists.oasis-open.org
    <mailto:openc2@lists.oasis-open.org>>
    *Subject:* Adopt a standing rule to define 'duration of term' for
    the Technical and Subcommittee co-chairs____

     ____

     ____

    OpenC2 Technical Committee, ____

     ____

    The co-chairs have been discussing a proposed standing rule for our
    technical committee to define the duration of a co-chair's term.
    Currently, the OASIS procedures define at most two co-chairs for a
    technical committee or subcommittee, however the length of a
    co-chair's term is undefined. ____

     ____

    A proposal was made to adopt a standing rule.  The rule would:____

    __Â         __Define the length of the term as two years, ____

    __Â         __Offset the terms by 12 months for the two co-chairs so
    that an election is held for one of them every 12 months.____

    __Â         __The TC would hold open elections every 12 months for
    all TC and SC chairs whose terms are up. ____

    __Â         __All TC members (including incumbents) are eligible for
    nomination for an office (i.e. the current officer is not term
    limited) ____

    __Â         __In the event of a vacancy (such as a co-chair step
    down prior to the conclusion of their term), a replacement will be
    elected to complete the term.  ____

     ____

    I think scheduled elections will provide a greater opportunity for
    diverse members to become co-chairs and infuse the effort with new
    perspectives.  I think the offset will build in continuity of
    operations.  ____

     ____

    Among the co-chairs, I have heard no objections to the proposed
    standing rule (in fact those who have shared their opinion are
    supportive) and I took the liberty of asking Chet Ensign if it would
    be OK from an OASIS perspective.  OASIS does not have an issue if we
    adopt a standing rule along these lines.  ____

     ____

    I will take the liberty of drafting a standing rule and will release
    it for comment in the near future. I do request your opinion in this
    matter.  Obviously we will discuss the matter at the TC monthly but
    your insight and opinion in advance would be most appreciated.  If
    you do not feel comfortable stating your opinion openly, I will
    respect your wish and I will present the perspective anonymously on
    your behalf.  ____

     ____

    Please consider this proposal.  ____

     ____

    Very Respectfully, ____

     ____

     ____

    Joe Brule____

     ____



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