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Subject: Re: [opencsa-ms] Confirm name and settings for LSC
excellent - thank you
-jeff
On Nov 07, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Scott McGrath wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Mischkinsky [mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:22 PM
>> To: Scott McGrath
>> Cc: 'Graham Barber'; 'OpenCSA'
>> Subject: Re: [opencsa-ms] Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and
>> settings for
>> LSC
>>
>>
>> On Nov 07, 2007, at 6:35 AM, Scott McGrath wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff, all,
>>>
>>> I understand what the charter expects. My original observation
>>> remains
>>> unchallenged, so I'll assume it to be correct. My observation was
>>> that the
>>> default "join" process which is designed to support the TC Process
>>> and IPR
>>> Policy (with Primary Approval and mail templates identifying
>>> appropriate TC
>>> rules and policies) is inappropriate in this situation. Therefore
>>> we have
>>> to hide the "join" link and invoke a manual process of "ask someone
>>> to add
>>> you to the roster" much as we do for the Member Section group.
>>
>> Is that because the only way to join a mailing list is invoke all
>> the ipr/primary stuff? Seems rather inflexible -- another example of
>> Kavi being the perfect tool? ;-(
>> If that's the way it has to be, then i think there should be some
>> text saying - any oasis member can join, but you have to do it
>> manually. I'm sorry but i can't see any of this since i'm already a
>> member and only see the usual confusing language that i have to
>> remove myself in order to join - which i'm not going to do :-)
>> -jeff
>>
> [Scott said:]
> Yes, this is an example of the tool design to enforce one set of
> rules being
> asked to manage another set of rules. It does have the ability to
> add some
> rules and alternate join processes, but they require development,
> the tool
> only comes with set ready to go.
>
> That said, Jeff, as Chair, you have a little dropdown tool in
> bottom right
> of the page that allows you to see the page as others would. BUT
> to save
> you the trouble, and for the reading pleasure of all on this list,
> the home
> page note for OASIS members who are not on the roster reads:
> This group is open to any eligible OASIS member. If you wish to
> join this
> group, send your request to opencsa-sc@lists.oasis-open.org .
> Please be sure
> to note if you are requesting to be an Observer, Member or Voting
> Member
> representing your SCA Technical Committee.
>
>>>
>>> I'll set up the group this morning and you can advise on any edits.
>>>
>>> Scott...
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jeff Mischkinsky [mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:03 PM
>>>> To: Scott McGrath
>>>> Cc: Graham Barber; OpenCSA
>>>> Subject: [opencsa-ms] Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings
>>>> for LSC
>>>>
>>>> hi scott,
>>>> (moving to the MS list)
>>>>
>>>> i'm not quite sure of all of the implications of what you are
>>>> proposing, but the charter is quite clear:
>>>> "LSC meetings, (teleconference and/or face to face) shall be posted
>>>> in advance. The meetings shall be open to other OpenCSA MS and
>>>> affiliated TC members as observers. Observers may participate in
>>>> meetings at the discretion of the chair. Any eligible OASIS member
>>>> may subscribe to the LSC mail list and post to it."
>>>> cheers,
>>>> jeff
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 06, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Scott McGrath wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Graham,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See some replies inline
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Graham Barber [mailto:graham_barber@uk.ibm.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:10 PM
>>>>> To: Scott McGrath
>>>>> Cc: opencsa-sc@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for LSC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> A couple of questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> - On the Groups Page, I think I interpret that subcommittees are
>>>>> indented under the main committee that they "serve".
>>>>>
>>>>> [Scott said:]
>>>>>
>>>>> Under normal circumstances, that is true. But this is not a
>>>>> "normal" subcommittee in that we would not enforce our
>>>>> subcommittee
>>>>> rules (to be a member on a SC, you must be a member of the parent
>>>>> committee) Therefore, this subcommittee wouldn't be
>>>>> represented in
>>>>> the usual parent/child relationship of indented under the parent.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I have this right, this group will be under the Steering
>>>>> Committee Group, yes? If so, then leaving "OpenCSA" in the name
>>>>> may
>>>>> be redundant. As we've lost the more important "SCA", may I
>>>>> suggest
>>>>> "SCA Liaison SubCommittee" as an alternative? That may change the
>>>>> long name as well, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Scott said:]
>>>>>
>>>>> I was focusing on OpenCSA and avoiding SCA to help make it clear
>>>>> that it is a subcommittee of the Member Section, not one of the
>>>>> SCA
>>>>> TCs.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Will it be possible to join as an Observer? That was my personal
>>>>> intention, for example.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Scott said:]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm, didn't consider that, either on a policy level or
>>>>> operationally. I'll let you folks deal with the policy issue, but
>>>>> I would observe that if I expose the "Join this group" link, it
>>>>> will invoke all the TC related "join management/Primary Approval"
>>>>> tools, webpages, email templates that make perfect sense when
>>>>> joining a TC-and no sense when joining this special group. If you
>>>>> folks agree having Observers is culturally correct (and I can bet
>>>>> on that outcome) I think the best process to allow that is to
>>>>> modify the page message to read:
>>>>>
>>>>> "If you are interested in Observing this subcommittee joining this
>>>>> subcommittee to represent your SCA
>>>>> TC, please notify the Steering Committee at opencsa-
>>>>> sc@lists.oasis-
>>>>> open.org"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham J Barber,
>>>>>
>>>>> OASIS OpenCSA Steering Committee Secretary & Vice-Chair,
>>>>> Program Director, SOA Partnerships, IBM Corporation.
>>>>> Graham_Barber@uk.ibm.com
>>>>> Phone:
>>>>> Internal: 245702, External: +44 (0)
>>>>> 1962 815702
>>>>> Secretary (Carol): 245395, +44 (0)1962
>>>>> 815395
>>>>> Cellphone (Worldwide): +44 (0)
>>>>> 7880 734005
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Scott McGrath" <scott.mcgrath@oasis-open.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> 06/11/2007 15:52
>>>>>
>>>>> To
>>>>>
>>>>> <opencsa-sc@lists.oasis-open.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> cc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject
>>>>>
>>>>> [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for LSC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gents,
>>>>>
>>>>> In creating the infrastructure for the OpenCSA Inter-SCA TC
>>>>> Liaison
>>>>> SubCommittee, allow me to confirm a few details.
>>>>>
>>>>> The group name and mail list name has practical size limitations
>>>>> because of
>>>>> display issues. Therefore, I suggest:
>>>>>
>>>>> Group Name (as displayed on the group pages) OpenCSA Liaison
>>>>> SubCommittee
>>>>> Mail list name: opencsa-liaison@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>> The charter and supporting page text will of course reference the
>>>>> full name.
>>>>>
>>>>> All group settings will be configured to give the visibility you
>>>>> seek.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "Join this Group" button will be hidden. OASIS members who
>>>>> are not
>>>>> already on the roster will see a note that says something like:
>>>>> "If you are interested in joining this sub-committee to represent
>>>>> your SCA
>>>>> TC, please notify the Steering Committee at opencsa-
>>>>> sc@lists.oasis-
>>>>> open.org"
>>>>> With your guidance we can add members to the roster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if I've missed something. If we can put closure to
>>>>> this today,
>>>>> I can have the pages available by Wednesday, as requested.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott...
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeff Mischkinsky
>>> jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com
>>>> Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware and Web Services Standards
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>> Jeff Mischkinsky
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