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Subject: RE: [opencsa-ms] Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for LSC
I hate to ask this question - since it's sure to elicit a response of "since you brought it up ..." - but, who is going to be responsible for adding the requestors to the roster? It sounds like observer membership status isn't open to "all", but to anyone who is either a member of the Member Section or one of the affiliated TCs. I think any requests should note their affiliation (either organizational membership in the member section or the particular TC in which they are a member). I'm also guessing from the wording below that someone who is not a member of the member section and only an observer in one of the affiliated TCs would not be eligible for observer status? Mary > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott McGrath [mailto:scott.mcgrath@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:38 PM > To: 'Jeff Mischkinsky' > Cc: 'Graham Barber'; 'OpenCSA' > Subject: RE: [opencsa-ms] Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for > LSC > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jeff Mischkinsky [mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:22 PM > >To: Scott McGrath > >Cc: 'Graham Barber'; 'OpenCSA' > >Subject: Re: [opencsa-ms] Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for > >LSC > > > > > >On Nov 07, 2007, at 6:35 AM, Scott McGrath wrote: > > > >> Jeff, all, > >> > >> I understand what the charter expects. My original observation > >> remains > >> unchallenged, so I'll assume it to be correct. My observation was > >> that the > >> default "join" process which is designed to support the TC Process > >> and IPR > >> Policy (with Primary Approval and mail templates identifying > >> appropriate TC > >> rules and policies) is inappropriate in this situation. Therefore > >> we have > >> to hide the "join" link and invoke a manual process of "ask someone > >> to add > >> you to the roster" much as we do for the Member Section group. > > > > Is that because the only way to join a mailing list is invoke all > >the ipr/primary stuff? Seems rather inflexible -- another example of > >Kavi being the perfect tool? ;-( > > If that's the way it has to be, then i think there should be some > >text saying - any oasis member can join, but you have to do it > >manually. I'm sorry but i can't see any of this since i'm already a > >member and only see the usual confusing language that i have to > >remove myself in order to join - which i'm not going to do :-) > > -jeff > > > [Scott said:] > Yes, this is an example of the tool design to enforce one set of rules > being > asked to manage another set of rules. It does have the ability to add some > rules and alternate join processes, but they require development, the tool > only comes with set ready to go. > > That said, Jeff, as Chair, you have a little dropdown tool in bottom right > of the page that allows you to see the page as others would. BUT to save > you the trouble, and for the reading pleasure of all on this list, the home > page note for OASIS members who are not on the roster reads: > This group is open to any eligible OASIS member. If you wish to join this > group, send your request to opencsa-sc@lists.oasis-open.org . Please be > sure > to note if you are requesting to be an Observer, Member or Voting Member > representing your SCA Technical Committee. > > >> > >> I'll set up the group this morning and you can advise on any edits. > >> > >> Scott... > >> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Jeff Mischkinsky [mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:03 PM > >>> To: Scott McGrath > >>> Cc: Graham Barber; OpenCSA > >>> Subject: [opencsa-ms] Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings > >>> for LSC > >>> > >>> hi scott, > >>> (moving to the MS list) > >>> > >>> i'm not quite sure of all of the implications of what you are > >>> proposing, but the charter is quite clear: > >>> "LSC meetings, (teleconference and/or face to face) shall be posted > >>> in advance. The meetings shall be open to other OpenCSA MS and > >>> affiliated TC members as observers. Observers may participate in > >>> meetings at the discretion of the chair. Any eligible OASIS member > >>> may subscribe to the LSC mail list and post to it." > >>> cheers, > >>> jeff > >>> > >>> On Nov 06, 2007, at 9:27 AM, Scott McGrath wrote: > >>> > >>>> Graham, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> See some replies inline > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: Graham Barber [mailto:graham_barber@uk.ibm.com] > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:10 PM > >>>> To: Scott McGrath > >>>> Cc: opencsa-sc@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for LSC > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Scott > >>>> > >>>> A couple of questions: > >>>> > >>>> - On the Groups Page, I think I interpret that subcommittees are > >>>> indented under the main committee that they "serve". > >>>> > >>>> [Scott said:] > >>>> > >>>> Under normal circumstances, that is true. But this is not a > >>>> "normal" subcommittee in that we would not enforce our subcommittee > >>>> rules (to be a member on a SC, you must be a member of the parent > >>>> committee) Therefore, this subcommittee wouldn't be represented in > >>>> the usual parent/child relationship of indented under the parent. > >>>> > >>>> If I have this right, this group will be under the Steering > >>>> Committee Group, yes? If so, then leaving "OpenCSA" in the name may > >>>> be redundant. As we've lost the more important "SCA", may I suggest > >>>> "SCA Liaison SubCommittee" as an alternative? That may change the > >>>> long name as well, of course. > >>>> > >>>> [Scott said:] > >>>> > >>>> I was focusing on OpenCSA and avoiding SCA to help make it clear > >>>> that it is a subcommittee of the Member Section, not one of the SCA > >>>> TCs. > >>>> > >>>> - Will it be possible to join as an Observer? That was my personal > >>>> intention, for example. > >>>> > >>>> [Scott said:] > >>>> > >>>> Hmmm, didn't consider that, either on a policy level or > >>>> operationally. I'll let you folks deal with the policy issue, but > >>>> I would observe that if I expose the "Join this group" link, it > >>>> will invoke all the TC related "join management/Primary Approval" > >>>> tools, webpages, email templates that make perfect sense when > >>>> joining a TC-and no sense when joining this special group. If you > >>>> folks agree having Observers is culturally correct (and I can bet > >>>> on that outcome) I think the best process to allow that is to > >>>> modify the page message to read: > >>>> > >>>> "If you are interested in Observing this subcommittee joining this > >>>> subcommittee to represent your SCA > >>>> TC, please notify the Steering Committee at opencsa-sc@lists.oasis- > >>>> open.org" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Graham J Barber, > >>>> > >>>> OASIS OpenCSA Steering Committee Secretary & Vice-Chair, > >>>> Program Director, SOA Partnerships, IBM Corporation. > >>>> Graham_Barber@uk.ibm.com > >>>> Phone: > >>>> Internal: 245702, External: +44 (0) > >>>> 1962 815702 > >>>> Secretary (Carol): 245395, +44 (0)1962 > >>>> 815395 > >>>> Cellphone (Worldwide): +44 (0) > >>>> 7880 734005 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Scott McGrath" <scott.mcgrath@oasis-open.org> > >>>> > >>>> 06/11/2007 15:52 > >>>> > >>>> To > >>>> > >>>> <opencsa-sc@lists.oasis-open.org> > >>>> > >>>> cc > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Subject > >>>> > >>>> [opencsa-sc] Confirm name and settings for LSC > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Gents, > >>>> > >>>> In creating the infrastructure for the OpenCSA Inter-SCA TC Liaison > >>>> SubCommittee, allow me to confirm a few details. > >>>> > >>>> The group name and mail list name has practical size limitations > >>>> because of > >>>> display issues. Therefore, I suggest: > >>>> > >>>> Group Name (as displayed on the group pages) OpenCSA Liaison > >>>> SubCommittee > >>>> Mail list name: opencsa-liaison@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>> The charter and supporting page text will of course reference the > >>>> full name. > >>>> > >>>> All group settings will be configured to give the visibility you > >>>> seek. > >>>> > >>>> The "Join this Group" button will be hidden. OASIS members who > >>>> are not > >>>> already on the roster will see a note that says something like: > >>>> "If you are interested in joining this sub-committee to represent > >>>> your SCA > >>>> TC, please notify the Steering Committee at opencsa-sc@lists.oasis- > >>>> open.org" > >>>> With your guidance we can add members to the roster. > >>>> > >>>> Let me know if I've missed something. If we can put closure to > >>>> this today, > >>>> I can have the pages available by Wednesday, as requested. > >>>> > >>>> Scott... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> - > >>>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >>>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs > >>>> in OASIS > >>>> at: > >>>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/ > >>>> my_workgroups.php > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Unless stated otherwise above: > >>>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with > >>>> number 741598. > >>>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire > >>>> PO6 3AU > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Jeff Mischkinsky > >> jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com > >>> Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware and Web Services Standards > +1(650) > >>> 506-1975 > >>> Consulting Member Technical Staff 500 > Oracle > >>> Parkway, M/ > >>> S 4OP9 > >>> Oracle > Redwood > >> Shores, CA > >>> 94065 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >>> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your > >>> TCs in > >>> OASIS > >>> at: > >>> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/ > >>> my_workgroups.php > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >> generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs > >> in OASIS > >> at: > >> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > >> > > > >-- > >Jeff Mischkinsky > jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com > >Director, Oracle Fusion Middleware and Web Services Standards +1(650) > >506-1975 > >Consulting Member Technical Staff 500 Oracle > >Parkway, M/ > >S 4OP9 > >Oracle Redwood > Shores, CA > >94065 > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > >generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > >OASIS > >at: > >https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. You may a link to this group and all your TCs in > OASIS > at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php
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