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Subject: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
My timeline is flexible, but I think it's a good time to start - based on presentations that I've made there are real SCA projects starting. I don't have a lot of free time (like everyone) but now is as good later.
I'm open to different publication/distribution options. Not trying to get rich on this, just to get the info out. But I Rogue Wave may also be able to help with working with a publisher - sometimes having a corporate sponsor can help. Other means like CC, blog/rss/wiki, e-book are worth considering as well. We could also do a serial publication (like Stephen King's "The Green Mile" http://www.amazon.com/Green-Mile-Stephen-King/dp/0671041789)
I haven't heard of duplex book. I read the link below but I have to confess that I didn't quite get it. What does it do and what are the benefits?
Mike Edwards expressed interest when he and I talked last year but I don't know if he did any writing or if he has availability now. I'm copying Mike here.
Best,
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: Carsten Röttgers [mailto:carsten.roettgers@gmx.net]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:19 PM
To: Patrick Leonard
Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: AW: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
Patrick,
your toc matches our considerations quite well. We will give you feedback and a proposal on our part by end of week.
But before we have further questions:
* What is your timeline?
* Would it be an option for you to make the book available for free if you will not find a publisher? We discussed this point and would start writing irrespectively of having a publisher (but we are quite confident to find one). If necessary we would opt to publish under creative commons (or sort of).
* Daniel came up with the idea of a duplex book (http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/DuplexBook.html). Any opinion?
* You mentioned Mike Edwards has also done some writing. Do you have any idea if he is still willing to go on?
Cheers,
Carsten
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 26. November 2007 18:55
> An: "Carsten Röttgers"
> Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa-
> ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> Betreff: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>
> Carsten,
>
> Here is an outline that I put together a while back. I have also
> written some content that could be used for the background and other
> parts of Chapter 1.
>
> I don't expect that it is complete but may be a good starting point.
> -----------------------------
>
> Service Component Architecture: Book Outline, Patrick Leonard
>
> Table of Contents
>
> Chapter 1: The Evolution of Service-Oriented Architectures
>
> * Background
> * Evolution of SOA
> * What is SCA?
> * Benefits of SCA
>
> Chapter: How does SCA work? (an overview)
>
> * SCA Concepts
> * How do I get started?
>
> Chapter: Assembly Model
>
> * Overview
> * Components
> * Implementation
> * Composite
> * Interface
> * System
> * Binding
> * Extension Model
> * Multiple Languages
>
> Chapter: Use Cases
>
> Chapter: Integrating Existing Systems
>
> * Java EE
> * EJB
> * C++ and other native languages
> * Packaged Applications
> Chapter: Windows Communication Foundation.
> Chapter: Vendor Offerings
>
> Chapter: Futures
>
> Chapter: References
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:45 AM
> To: Patrick Leonard
> Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa-
> ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>
> Timeline for the book? Well, it depends ;-) For instance, it depends
> on how practical "we" want it to be. But as a rough guess
> ("regardless" of its content in detail and other "circumstances") we
> would estimate about 1 year from now on. Detailed planning will take
> place as soon as all contributing authors are determined and we have
> done an initial outline.
>
> Carsten
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:00:43 -0700
> > Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com>
> > An: "Carsten Röttgers" <Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net>
> > CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org, carol.geyer@oasis-open.org,
> > daniel.pieper@t-online.de
> > Betreff: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>
> > Carsten,
> >
> > I have done some writing on background and overview and could also
> > contribute details on the C++ side of the specs. I could also
> contribute content
> > for the C++ practical based on tuscany. What is your timeline?
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:08 AM
> > To: Patrick Leonard
> > Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
> > daniel.pieper@t-online.de
> > Subject: Re: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> > thanks for your offer. Indeed, this is an option worth considering.
> So
> > far we are open to work with additional authors as well as joining
> > an existing team.
> >
> > Currently we are in the feasibility/planning stages and checking if
> > there are any publishers interested in a book on SCA/SDO. We forsee
> > about 250-300 pages, but with additional authors this could be more
> > (our last book had more than 500 pages - and well, it took a while).
> > Our main focus will be on SCA and not on a specific implementation
> > (like Tuscany) but the book should definitively have a practical
> > part/example. So an appropriate (sub-)title could be "Implementing
> SCA/SDO with Tuscany".
> >
> > So much for our first thoughts. Can you give us any insights on what
> > you have done so far?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Carsten
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > Datum: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:53:22 -0700
> > > Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com>
> > > An: "Carol Geyer" <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>,
> > > daniel.pieper@t-online.de, carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
> > > CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Betreff: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >
> > > Daniel, Carsten,
> > >
> > > I would be happy to work with you on this as well. I have already
> > > done some writing toward a few chapters and I believe Mike Edwards
> > > has
> > as well.
> > > We started on this last year but got delayed. Let me know where
> you
> > > are in the process and if this would be helpful.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick Leonard
> > > VP, Engineering & Product Strategy Rogue Wave Software
> > > pleonard@roguewave.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Carol Geyer [mailto:carol.geyer@oasis-open.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:42 AM
> > > To: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
> > > Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> > >
> > > Daniel, Carsten,
> > > Please let me offer my assistance on this project on behalf of
> OASIS.
> > > I would be happy to review your work and answer any questions you
> > > have related to Open CSA and OASIS.
> > >
> > > I realize you've been in touch with Graham, and he's forwarded
> > > your questions to others in the OASIS Open CSA Member Section.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Carol
> > >
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> > > "Daniel Pieper"
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> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > first of all congratulations for the good work done so far in the
> > > SCA and SDO specs.
> > > In our daily work we see a strong need for programming models
> > > leveraging the SOA principles and so we believe SCA and SDO to be
> > > one of the coming technologies to consider. Because of the current
> > > lack of literature explaining the principles behind and the use of
> > > these two standards (and their current implementations) we are
> > > considering to write a book ourselves.
> > >
> > > We have done so in the past in exploring the world of MDA
> (Röttgers,
> > > Pieper: MDA, Springer 2006) which to date is only available in
> German.
> > > Having made this experience before we know that writing something
> > > about a standard is only possible if support and latest (insider)
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> granted.
> > >
> > > Considering a Go/No-Go we have the following questions:
> > > - Does OSOA support this kind of "external" literature?
> > > - If so, which information and personal support could you (would
> > > you) offer?
> > > - Are there already other publications underway of which you know?
> > > - Which publisher would you recommend?
> > > - Who is the direct contact for this type of questions?
> > >
> > > The focus of our work is not the profit but help in our daily work
> > > with this new technology for us and our clients. Strong focus
> > > would be in the OSS implementations. If supported we would like to
> > > open all chapters for public review before going to print to give
> > > the most coherent and complete information possible.
> > >
> > > If you have further questions please don't hesitate to contact us:
> > >
> > > daniel.pieper@t-online.de OR carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance and best regards,
> > >
> > > Daniel, Carsten
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