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Subject: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
My timeline is flexible, but I think it's a good time to start - based on presentations that I've made there are real SCA projects starting. I don't have a lot of free time (like everyone) but now is as good later. I'm open to different publication/distribution options. Not trying to get rich on this, just to get the info out. But I Rogue Wave may also be able to help with working with a publisher - sometimes having a corporate sponsor can help. Other means like CC, blog/rss/wiki, e-book are worth considering as well. We could also do a serial publication (like Stephen King's "The Green Mile" http://www.amazon.com/Green-Mile-Stephen-King/dp/0671041789) I haven't heard of duplex book. I read the link below but I have to confess that I didn't quite get it. What does it do and what are the benefits? Mike Edwards expressed interest when he and I talked last year but I don't know if he did any writing or if he has availability now. I'm copying Mike here. Best, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Carsten Röttgers [mailto:carsten.roettgers@gmx.net] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:19 PM To: Patrick Leonard Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: AW: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project Patrick, your toc matches our considerations quite well. We will give you feedback and a proposal on our part by end of week. But before we have further questions: * What is your timeline? * Would it be an option for you to make the book available for free if you will not find a publisher? We discussed this point and would start writing irrespectively of having a publisher (but we are quite confident to find one). If necessary we would opt to publish under creative commons (or sort of). * Daniel came up with the idea of a duplex book (http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/DuplexBook.html). Any opinion? * You mentioned Mike Edwards has also done some writing. Do you have any idea if he is still willing to go on? Cheers, Carsten > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 26. November 2007 18:55 > An: "Carsten Röttgers" > Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa- > ms@lists.oasis-open.org > Betreff: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > > Carsten, > > Here is an outline that I put together a while back. I have also > written some content that could be used for the background and other > parts of Chapter 1. > > I don't expect that it is complete but may be a good starting point. > ----------------------------- > > Service Component Architecture: Book Outline, Patrick Leonard > > Table of Contents > > Chapter 1: The Evolution of Service-Oriented Architectures > > * Background > * Evolution of SOA > * What is SCA? > * Benefits of SCA > > Chapter: How does SCA work? (an overview) > > * SCA Concepts > * How do I get started? > > Chapter: Assembly Model > > * Overview > * Components > * Implementation > * Composite > * Interface > * System > * Binding > * Extension Model > * Multiple Languages > > Chapter: Use Cases > > Chapter: Integrating Existing Systems > > * Java EE > * EJB > * C++ and other native languages > * Packaged Applications > Chapter: Windows Communication Foundation. > Chapter: Vendor Offerings > > Chapter: Futures > > Chapter: References > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:45 AM > To: Patrick Leonard > Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa- > ms@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > > Timeline for the book? Well, it depends ;-) For instance, it depends > on how practical "we" want it to be. But as a rough guess > ("regardless" of its content in detail and other "circumstances") we > would estimate about 1 year from now on. Detailed planning will take > place as soon as all contributing authors are determined and we have > done an initial outline. > > Carsten > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:00:43 -0700 > > Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com> > > An: "Carsten Röttgers" <Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net> > > CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org, carol.geyer@oasis-open.org, > > daniel.pieper@t-online.de > > Betreff: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > > > Carsten, > > > > I have done some writing on background and overview and could also > > contribute details on the C++ side of the specs. I could also > contribute content > > for the C++ practical based on tuscany. What is your timeline? > > > > Patrick > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net] > > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:08 AM > > To: Patrick Leonard > > Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; > > daniel.pieper@t-online.de > > Subject: Re: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > > > > Patrick, > > > > thanks for your offer. Indeed, this is an option worth considering. > So > > far we are open to work with additional authors as well as joining > > an existing team. > > > > Currently we are in the feasibility/planning stages and checking if > > there are any publishers interested in a book on SCA/SDO. We forsee > > about 250-300 pages, but with additional authors this could be more > > (our last book had more than 500 pages - and well, it took a while). > > Our main focus will be on SCA and not on a specific implementation > > (like Tuscany) but the book should definitively have a practical > > part/example. So an appropriate (sub-)title could be "Implementing > SCA/SDO with Tuscany". > > > > So much for our first thoughts. Can you give us any insights on what > > you have done so far? > > > > Best regards, > > Carsten > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > > Datum: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:53:22 -0700 > > > Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com> > > > An: "Carol Geyer" <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, > > > daniel.pieper@t-online.de, carsten.roettgers@gmx.net > > > CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Betreff: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > > > > > Daniel, Carsten, > > > > > > I would be happy to work with you on this as well. I have already > > > done some writing toward a few chapters and I believe Mike Edwards > > > has > > as well. > > > We started on this last year but got delayed. Let me know where > you > > > are in the process and if this would be helpful. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > Patrick Leonard > > > VP, Engineering & Product Strategy Rogue Wave Software > > > pleonard@roguewave.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Carol Geyer [mailto:carol.geyer@oasis-open.org] > > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:42 AM > > > To: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carsten.roettgers@gmx.net > > > Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Subject: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project > > > > > > Daniel, Carsten, > > > Please let me offer my assistance on this project on behalf of > OASIS. > > > I would be happy to review your work and answer any questions you > > > have related to Open CSA and OASIS. > > > > > > I realize you've been in touch with Graham, and he's forwarded > > > your questions to others in the OASIS Open CSA Member Section. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Carol > > > > > > _________________________________ > > > Carol Geyer > > > Director of Communications > > > OASIS > > > +1.978.667.5115 x209 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Daniel Pieper" > To > > > <daniel.pieper@t- > > > online.de> > cc > > > > > > 31/10/2007 00:40 > bcc > > > > > > > Subject > > > This document [osoa contact] Business > Enquiry > > > expires on from www.osoa.org web site > > > 29/01/2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > first of all congratulations for the good work done so far in the > > > SCA and SDO specs. > > > In our daily work we see a strong need for programming models > > > leveraging the SOA principles and so we believe SCA and SDO to be > > > one of the coming technologies to consider. Because of the current > > > lack of literature explaining the principles behind and the use of > > > these two standards (and their current implementations) we are > > > considering to write a book ourselves. > > > > > > We have done so in the past in exploring the world of MDA > (Röttgers, > > > Pieper: MDA, Springer 2006) which to date is only available in > German. > > > Having made this experience before we know that writing something > > > about a standard is only possible if support and latest (insider) > > > information from the standardizing committee is available and > granted. > > > > > > Considering a Go/No-Go we have the following questions: > > > - Does OSOA support this kind of "external" literature? > > > - If so, which information and personal support could you (would > > > you) offer? > > > - Are there already other publications underway of which you know? > > > - Which publisher would you recommend? > > > - Who is the direct contact for this type of questions? > > > > > > The focus of our work is not the profit but help in our daily work > > > with this new technology for us and our clients. Strong focus > > > would be in the OSS implementations. If supported we would like to > > > open all chapters for public review before going to print to give > > > the most coherent and complete information possible. > > > > > > If you have further questions please don't hesitate to contact us: > > > > > > daniel.pieper@t-online.de OR carsten.roettgers@gmx.net > > > > > > Thank you in advance and best regards, > > > > > > Daniel, Carsten > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ossoa-contact mailing list > > > ossoa-contact@cs.opensource.ibm.com > > > https://cs.opensource.ibm.com/mailman/listinfo/ossoa-contact > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless stated otherwise above: > > > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with > > > number 741598. > > > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire > > > PO6 3AU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Unless stated otherwise above: > > > IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with > > > number 741598. > > > Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire > > > PO6 3AU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > - > - > > > - To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC > > > that generates this mail. 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