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Subject: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
Hi Patrick,
I noticed that your ToC did not include any refs to SCA Policy...are
you excluding it by design or relegating it to just a part of the "SCA
Concepts" topic? Personally, I feel that it merits distinct and
proportionate treatment.
(I'd be happy to contribute material on the topic of "SCA Policy", but
if others more qualified (from the core SCA Policy team) decided to
participate, I'd certainly defer to them.)
Cheers,
BobN
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 8:06 PM
To: Carsten Röttgers
Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
My timeline is flexible, but I think it's a good time to start - based
on presentations that I've made there are real SCA projects starting. I
don't have a lot of free time (like everyone) but now is as good later.
I'm open to different publication/distribution options. Not trying to
get rich on this, just to get the info out. But I Rogue Wave may also
be able to help with working with a publisher - sometimes having a
corporate sponsor can help. Other means like CC, blog/rss/wiki, e-book
are worth considering as well. We could also do a serial publication
(like Stephen King's "The Green Mile"
http://www.amazon.com/Green-Mile-Stephen-King/dp/0671041789)
I haven't heard of duplex book. I read the link below but I have to
confess that I didn't quite get it. What does it do and what are the
benefits?
Mike Edwards expressed interest when he and I talked last year but I
don't know if he did any writing or if he has availability now. I'm
copying Mike here.
Best,
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: Carsten Röttgers [mailto:carsten.roettgers@gmx.net]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:19 PM
To: Patrick Leonard
Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: AW: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
Patrick,
your toc matches our considerations quite well. We will give you
feedback and a proposal on our part by end of week.
But before we have further questions:
* What is your timeline?
* Would it be an option for you to make the book available for free if
you will not find a publisher? We discussed this point and would start
writing irrespectively of having a publisher (but we are quite
confident to find one). If necessary we would opt to publish under
creative commons (or sort of).
* Daniel came up with the idea of a duplex book
(http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/DuplexBook.html). Any opinion?
* You mentioned Mike Edwards has also done some writing. Do you have
any idea if he is still willing to go on?
Cheers,
Carsten
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Patrick Leonard [mailto:Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 26. November 2007 18:55
> An: "Carsten Röttgers"
> Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa-
> ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> Betreff: RE: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>
> Carsten,
>
> Here is an outline that I put together a while back. I have also
> written some content that could be used for the background and other
> parts of Chapter 1.
>
> I don't expect that it is complete but may be a good starting point.
> -----------------------------
>
> Service Component Architecture: Book Outline, Patrick Leonard
>
> Table of Contents
>
> Chapter 1: The Evolution of Service-Oriented Architectures
>
> * Background
> * Evolution of SOA
> * What is SCA?
> * Benefits of SCA
>
> Chapter: How does SCA work? (an overview)
>
> * SCA Concepts
> * How do I get started?
>
> Chapter: Assembly Model
>
> * Overview
> * Components
> * Implementation
> * Composite
> * Interface
> * System
> * Binding
> * Extension Model
> * Multiple Languages
>
> Chapter: Use Cases
>
> Chapter: Integrating Existing Systems
>
> * Java EE
> * EJB
> * C++ and other native languages
> * Packaged Applications
> Chapter: Windows Communication Foundation.
> Chapter: Vendor Offerings
>
> Chapter: Futures
>
> Chapter: References
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:45 AM
> To: Patrick Leonard
> Cc: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org; opencsa-
> ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>
> Timeline for the book? Well, it depends ;-) For instance, it depends
> on how practical "we" want it to be. But as a rough guess
> ("regardless" of its content in detail and other "circumstances") we
> would estimate about 1 year from now on. Detailed planning will take
> place as soon as all contributing authors are determined and we have
> done an initial outline.
>
> Carsten
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:00:43 -0700
> > Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com>
> > An: "Carsten Röttgers" <Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net>
> > CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org, carol.geyer@oasis-open.org,
> > daniel.pieper@t-online.de
> > Betreff: RE: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
>
> > Carsten,
> >
> > I have done some writing on background and overview and could also
> > contribute details on the C++ side of the specs. I could also
> contribute content
> > for the C++ practical based on tuscany. What is your timeline?
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Carsten Röttgers" [mailto:Carsten.Roettgers@gmx.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 11:08 AM
> > To: Patrick Leonard
> > Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org; carol.geyer@oasis-open.org;
> > daniel.pieper@t-online.de
> > Subject: Re: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >
> > Patrick,
> >
> > thanks for your offer. Indeed, this is an option worth considering.
> So
> > far we are open to work with additional authors as well as joining
> > an existing team.
> >
> > Currently we are in the feasibility/planning stages and checking if
> > there are any publishers interested in a book on SCA/SDO. We forsee
> > about 250-300 pages, but with additional authors this could be more
> > (our last book had more than 500 pages - and well, it took a
while).
> > Our main focus will be on SCA and not on a specific implementation
> > (like Tuscany) but the book should definitively have a practical
> > part/example. So an appropriate (sub-)title could be "Implementing
> SCA/SDO with Tuscany".
> >
> > So much for our first thoughts. Can you give us any insights on
what
> > you have done so far?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Carsten
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > Datum: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:53:22 -0700
> > > Von: "Patrick Leonard" <Patrick.Leonard@roguewave.com>
> > > An: "Carol Geyer" <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>,
> > > daniel.pieper@t-online.de, carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
> > > CC: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Betreff: RE: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> >
> > > Daniel, Carsten,
> > >
> > > I would be happy to work with you on this as well. I have
already
> > > done some writing toward a few chapters and I believe Mike
Edwards
> > > has
> > as well.
> > > We started on this last year but got delayed. Let me know where
> you
> > > are in the process and if this would be helpful.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick Leonard
> > > VP, Engineering & Product Strategy Rogue Wave Software
> > > pleonard@roguewave.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Carol Geyer [mailto:carol.geyer@oasis-open.org]
> > > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:42 AM
> > > To: daniel.pieper@t-online.de; carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
> > > Cc: opencsa-ms@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: [opencsa-ms] SCA/SDO book project
> > >
> > > Daniel, Carsten,
> > > Please let me offer my assistance on this project on behalf of
> OASIS.
> > > I would be happy to review your work and answer any questions you
> > > have related to Open CSA and OASIS.
> > >
> > > I realize you've been in touch with Graham, and he's forwarded
> > > your questions to others in the OASIS Open CSA Member Section.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Carol
> > >
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> > > "Daniel Pieper"
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> > > 31/10/2007 00:40
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > first of all congratulations for the good work done so far in the
> > > SCA and SDO specs.
> > > In our daily work we see a strong need for programming models
> > > leveraging the SOA principles and so we believe SCA and SDO to be
> > > one of the coming technologies to consider. Because of the
current
> > > lack of literature explaining the principles behind and the use
of
> > > these two standards (and their current implementations) we are
> > > considering to write a book ourselves.
> > >
> > > We have done so in the past in exploring the world of MDA
> (Röttgers,
> > > Pieper: MDA, Springer 2006) which to date is only available in
> German.
> > > Having made this experience before we know that writing something
> > > about a standard is only possible if support and latest (insider)
> > > information from the standardizing committee is available and
> granted.
> > >
> > > Considering a Go/No-Go we have the following questions:
> > > - Does OSOA support this kind of "external" literature?
> > > - If so, which information and personal support could you (would
> > > you) offer?
> > > - Are there already other publications underway of which you
know?
> > > - Which publisher would you recommend?
> > > - Who is the direct contact for this type of questions?
> > >
> > > The focus of our work is not the profit but help in our daily
work
> > > with this new technology for us and our clients. Strong focus
> > > would be in the OSS implementations. If supported we would like
to
> > > open all chapters for public review before going to print to give
> > > the most coherent and complete information possible.
> > >
> > > If you have further questions please don't hesitate to contact
us:
> > >
> > > daniel.pieper@t-online.de OR carsten.roettgers@gmx.net
> > >
> > > Thank you in advance and best regards,
> > >
> > > Daniel, Carsten
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