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Subject: Re: [opencsa-ms] Proposed - OpenCSA Steering Committee (StC) Proposed Agenda - 14 August 2009

Possible apologies: I just returned from vacation and am in catch-up mode today. Will try to attend if possible.


On 13 Aug 2009, at 20:26, Mike Kaiser wrote:

PROPOSED AGENDA - OpenCSA Steering Committee (StC) PROPOSED AGENDA - 14 August 2009 9:00 AM PST

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0. Agenda bashing and Roll
1. Minutes Approval

        - 10 July 2009:

2. Open Action Item Review and Discussion

        AI20081212-001 - Coordinate an effort with Assembly TC to produce an
                SCA primer as the specs approach standardization (in review).

                STATUS: On Hold until we get closer to standardization.
                        Keep on hold.

        AI20090313-001 Jeff to send the following recommendation to
                the TC's.

                Steering Committee Recommends inclusion of the
                completed test suite with the main package for
                the initial CS vote.

                STATUS: Still open. Jeff will do this.        
                        Leave as open.

        AI20090605-002 David to set up new moderator call for future
                steering committee meetings.

                STATUS:  Targeting completion for August StC meeting.

3. Overall TC Milestones Status as discussed by LSC:
        The following represents the current state of each TC relative
        to Public Reviews        

        * = PR 04/24 - 06/23
        & = PR 06/08 - 08/07
           ? = PR 08/08 - 10/07
         - = Schedule not available at this time. (lower priority)

        SCA-Assembly TC Specifications (V1.1)
                * SCA Assembly Model Specification

        SCA-Policy TC Specifications (V1.1)
                * SCA Policy Framework

        SCA-BPEL TC Specifications (V1.1)
                * SCA WS-BPEL Client and Implementation Specification

        SCA-C/C++ TC Specifications (V1.1)
                * SCA Client and Implementation Model Specification for C
                * SCA Client and Implementation Model Specification for C++

        SCA-J TC Specifications (V1.1)
                & SCA Java Common Annotations and APIs Specification
                & SCA Java Component Implementation Specification
                - SCA EJB Session Bean Binding Specification
                - SCA Spring Component Implementation Specification
                 - SCA JEE Integration Specification

        SCA-Bindings TC Specifications (V1.1)
                ? SCA Web Services Binding Specification
                ? SCA JMS Binding Specification
                ? SCA JCA Binding Specification
                - SCA HTTP Binding Specification

        SDO TC Specifications (V3.0)
                - Service Data Objects Specification
                - Service Data Objects for Java

        Where are we on the Test Suite progress for each?
                (i.e. Test Cases, Test Assertions) For each
                  - When is TC final review scheduled?
                  - When is vote for PR scheduled?
                  - When is Submission to TC Admin for PR scheduled?
                  - When is PR targeted?        

4. Compliant implementation plans        
        We know that we need something about mid year.  There are
        several companies working this but implementation timing is
        unknown.  Open Source (Apache Tuscany, looks to be one
        source for at least some of the TC's.  Fabric3 may be another).  
        Each TC will have to make it's own decision on what compliant
        implementations they are going to use based on what's available
        in the         timeframe of standardization and what their test plan
        looks like.

        The SC must eventually resolve the question of "how it will
        make approval decisions" and communicate this to the TC's.
        It is expected that the Testing Plans for each TC will
        incorporate implementation/testing aspects which encompass
        the broader "SCA" picture.

******>        We must address the following core questions:
          Are we all in agreement that the exit criteria in each
          charter applies to Member Submission for vote and not
          for Committee Specification approval?

          At this stage, what (if any) compliant applications
          are the likely candidates which the SC will likely
          generally accept?

        FROM JUNE 05, 2009 MEETING:
        There is some debate as to whether the exit criteria requiring
        spec validation by two implementations is necessary prior to
        Committee Specification or not.

        One camp argues that CS is defined by OASIS process as a final
        deliverable and therefore is subject to the exit criteria.  The
        CS is a standard of sorts, it is just not one which has been
        approved by the entire OASIS Membership.  Many (maybe 70%) of
        the OASIS specs are in this state without intent to gain
        OASIS Membership standardization status.  Because of this
        CS status should not be granted until there is validation of
        at least 2 implementations.  we shouldn't have final deliverables
        which haven't been fully debugged using the 2 implementation
        compliance rule.

        The other camp argues that public perception is that CS's are
        not OASIS standards. Perception is that they do represent a
        level of specification which is stable enough that Vendors
        and customers can implement with some assurances that the OASIS
        Member Standard (if there is one) is likely to have little if
        any substantive change.  This level of specification is used
        by some as the tipping point to make resource/dollar/timing
        decisions around formal implementations. Therefore, CS status
        should be granted to encourage implementations to formally
        validate against.

5. New Teleconference Passcode Process

6. Response to Microsoft and Siemens SCA-Assembly Public Review comments.
        Microsoft and Siemens (and other internal SCA members) have
        raised the question around which of the two following paths
        should be taken for claiming SCA Compliance (i.e. A or B).
        A) SCA Compliant extensions must be compliant with all of the
                a) SCA Assembly,
                b) SCA Policy,
                c) SCA Binding, and
                d) at least one of the SCA Implementation Types
                    (currently Java, BPEL, C or C++ )

        B) SCA Compliant extensions must be compliant with all of the
                a) SCA Assembly,
                b) SCA Policy and
                c) SCA Binding

        What is the Steering Committee position?

        Additionally, Siemens has challenged the notion that c) should
        also not be included in the compliancy requirement.
        What is the Steering Committee position?

7. Any Other Business?

8. Future SC Agenda Topics?

9. Next Meeting
           - The next regular teleconference is scheduled for Sept 11th, 2009
                9:00am PST, 12:00pm EST, 5:00pm UK

        (OpenCSA Steering Committee calls are scheduled for the second Friday
                of each month.)

10. Adjourn

Mark Little

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