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Subject: Fwd: [opendocument-users] ITS implementation in OD

(I had put Felix in Bcc of the original mail since I did not know  
whether he was or not on the lists, here are his comments. JC Helary)

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
> Date: 2006年2月23日 14:35:57:JST
> To: JC Helary <fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>
> Cc: opendocument-users@lists.oasis-open.org,  
> dev@xml.openoffice.org, Yves Savourel <ysavourel@translate.com>
> Subject: Re: [opendocument-users] ITS implementation in OD
> Hi Jean-Christophe,
> I don't know why I am getting this mail, but I am very happy about it.
> Many thanks for this! If my mail does not reach the
> opendocument-users@lists.oasis-open.org and dev@xml.openoffice.org
> lists, could you forward it? Many thanks in advance. I am sending this
> also to Yves Savourel, the ITS working group chair.
> Just some comments below.
> JC Helary wrote:
>> Robert,
>> I fully understand your position.
>> I invited Felix Sasaki (the current draft editor @ W3C)
> I am a co-editor of the spec, together with Christian Lieske (SAP AG).
> However, my main role in the working group is that of a W3C staff
> contact. I have to assure that the group succeeds with its work
> (technically and in compliance with the w3c standardization process).
>> to make a
>> presentation about ITS at a "translation and open source" seminar  
>> we had
>> in Tokyo last month, held by Japan Jinux User Association and  
>> hosted by
>> Sun Japan, and the message was clearly that W3C is waiting for either
>> localization solutions vendors or document format maintainers to  
>> make a
>> first step (even at the prototype level).
> Jean-Christophe is right that we are targeting on vendors and document
> format maintainers; but as for the latter one, we are already  
> working on
> concrete implementations (or 'modularizations'as we call it, see
> http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#modularizations) of ITS in the formats  
> DocBook
> (ongoing), TEI (done in a first version), DITA (ongoing), XHTML
> (ongoing) and  XML Spec (done in a first version). As you can see  
> in the
> draft, ODF has already a placeholder, which we would like to fill. One
> of our working group participants (from Sun) is working in that area.
>> I was doing a presentation about OmegaT
>> (http://sourceforge.net/projects/omegat), as project member, and with
>> native SX*/ODF support since pretty much OmegaT was conceived, we are
>> extremely interested in implementing ITS based translation  
>> information
>> parsing. The Japanese language quality resp. at Sun Japan was also
>> there, making a presentation about OLT, and we could all feel that
>> people are waiting for somebody to start something.
>> I suppose ITS implementation in HTML will be handled by the W3C  
>> and as
>> far as DocBook is concerned the relevant groups will handle that
> yes.
>> , but I
>> am more interested in OD since I use it on a daily basis for  
>> translating
>> MS documents (as a matter of fact, we are considering using JOOTT
>> internally to get automatic conversion of MS docs).
>> Implementing ITS in OD also means getting closer to emulating
>> proprietary translation tools behaviors and with the recent moves  
>> to get
>> Trados files available to OmegaT users through OOo/RTFStyler hacks  
>> (see
>> LinuxForTranslators list and the OmegaT user group, both @ Yahoo) the
>> community is really in need of a sign from the OD community :)
>> If there is anything that can be done to implement an ITS  
>> prototype in
>> OD, I can guaranty you that OmegaT would support that right away, at
>> least to offer a test platform and see what the possibilities are.
>> A lot of translation solution (proprietary) vendors are starting to
>> implement OD support, and ITS, once it is finalized will most  
>> probably
>> be the next standard to adopt in this field.
>> Regards,
>> Jean-Christophe
>> On 2006/02/22, at 23:55, robert_weir@us.ibm.com
>> <mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>> Speaking for myself, I like what ITS is trying to accomplish, but I
>>> would hesitate to implement ITS support in ODF until ITS advances
>>> closer to W3C Recommendation status.  I believe it is current a W3C
>>> Working Draft, meaning it is still open to changes based on public
>>> feedback, etc. However, it may be worth evaluating ITS and thinking
>>> what it could mean for ODF, while there still is opportunity for  
>>> us to
>>> submit feedback to the ITS TC.
> it is the best opportunity now :)
> We have just published an updated working draft of the ITS tagset
> document at http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-its-20060222/ .
> We are planning to publish a so-called "last-call" working draft  
> around
> the end of May. "last call" means: that draft will have all  
> features of
> ITS which we are proposing. Within the W3C specification development
> process, the last-call review period (about a month) is the main  
> period
> for comments on drafts. Nevertheless, the earlier we get feedback, the
> better, and the more time we will have to discuss the feedback. So I
> strongly encourage you to make comments on the current draft as  
> soon as
> possible. You will find an explanation of how to do that in the  
> "status"
> section at http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ .
> Best regards,
>  Felix Sasaki
>>> Thanks for bringing this specification to my attention.
>>> Regards,
>>> -Rob Weir
>>> JC Helary <fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp <mailto:fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp>>  
>>> wrote
>>> on 02/22/2006 05:57:57 AM:
>>>> What is the status of ITS implementation in OD ?
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/its/
>>>> Jean-Christophe Helary

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