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Subject: RE: [office-comment] ODFF: XIRR
[moving to opendocument-user list for continuity with remarks there] Here: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/opendocument-users/200809/msg00002.html I did manage to find some resources to check out, and tracing references reveals some authoritative sources. I agree that these vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and particular regulatory structures on accountancy and financial activities. I'm also learning that financial mathematics is not static, and experts have to deal with using formulae that applied in particular time periods. I remain hopeful that there is enough to at least establish what the foundation is for a given approach, whether one specified in OpenFormula or in OOXML or any other specification that should be disclosing the *specific* financial functions its algorithms implement. One should not be surprised (even though I often am) that context is everthing in these matters, and that offering context-free solutions is not helpful. I am aware of this with regard to treatment of dates and times in computer software, and I look forward to the results David Wheeler's efforts. - Dennis PS: I'm with you about basic principles. It would be useful if we knew what the basic principles, if any, are that a specification intends to have be applicable, and then that an implementation claims to satisfy. -----Original Message----- From: David King [mailto:openoffice@drking.plus.com] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-comment/200809/msg00019.html Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 03:22 To: office-comment@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [office-comment] ODFF: XIRR Hi Dennis > Can you recommend authoritative sources In short, I'm afraid not - there are many books about, but because I'm not a specialist I think it would be unwise for me to recommend. I found mistakes in one book... And many sources skirt around the detail. The good news is that we now have a pretty good understanding of what the financial functions actually do - and I think ODFF will nail it down so that future implementors can succeed (in a way that OOXML has not). The main outstanding issue is probably the calendar systems, which David Wheeler is working on I think. The bad news is that it's hard to know how useful (and used) the financial functions are. Two of the Calc functions always return an error, and no-one complained (I've raised an issue now). I suspect that despite the huge effort of implementation, not many people find them useful, except for students doing assignments. Personally, as things are at the moment, I'd often be more inclined to go back to basic principles, so I could be sure of the result... > I'm concerned that we have authoritative subject-matter expertise for citation and also comparison with what various programs do. Agreed, a good point, but it's hard to find the right *international* expertise. Or at least I've found it so. I think the financial functions are quite biased towards the US. We also have to remember that a spreadsheet is a general tool, and that specialist software will always do more for that area. Like R and statistics. Not sure it that helps at all... David [ ... ]
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