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Subject: RE: [opendocument-users] Implementor notes
Hi Dennis, I didn't forget about your hard work on the wiki ;-) The reason I suggested xhtml and atom for the implementation notes is that the wiki is read-only for non OIC members. It sure is a great place to summarize the issues found and analyzing the spec, absolutely. But I'm not sure if it still scales if we have to maintain the links to notes (perhaps in several languages) and bug tracks of various products, as well as general remarks etc. Or maybe that's just me dreaming of a perfect world again :-) Anyway, regardless of all this, I think we can all agree that having a spec published XHTML opens new opportunities :-) Bart (it would be great if _all_ standards were made available as XHTML with anchors to relevant parts) ________________________________________ From: Dennis E. Hamilton [dennis.hamilton@acm.org] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:50 AM To: 'Sander Marechal'; Hanssens Bart Cc: opendocument-users@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: RE: [opendocument-users] Implementor notes Sander, some additional information related to this thread: 1. Something like this is being done on the OIC TC by putting the ODF 1.1 specification up on a Wiki. Some initial fragments can be seen at <http://wiki.oasis-open.org/oic/SpecAnalysis>. The design is intended to support linking to separate annotation pages that address matters of concern to the ODF Interoperability and Conformance (OIC) TC. 2. It seems to me that the reorganization undertaken in ODF 1.2 Part 1 is so massive that it is unlikely to be able to preserve the structure (relative URLs and fragment IDs). In particular, attributes are no longer described in-line with the elements that have them and there are no schema fragments in the ODF 1.2 Part 1 text. (The Wiki is HTML 4.01, according to the link on the bottom of every page.) 3. Although the OIC ODF 1.1 anchors are systematic, I would not claim them to be easily predictable. The good news is that every section, paragraph, un-numbered subsection, list item, image, and schema fragment has a permalink that can be used to make a cross-reference to that content when commenting, making web-organized implementation notes, etc. (I had my eye on that specific application when I experimented with ways to move ODF 1.1 to the OIC Wiki.) 4. When there is a stable-enough 1.2 specification, there might be ways to cross-reference between the on-line 1.1 and an on-line 1.2 so that one can trace the treatment of a feature in one to its treatment in the other. It feels too soon to start anything like that. -----Original Message----- From: Sander Marechal [mailto:s.marechal@jejik.com] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/opendocument-users/200906/msg00064.html Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 15:23 To: Hanssens Bart Cc: opendocument-users@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [opendocument-users] Implementor notes Hanssens Bart wrote: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/opendocument-users/200906/msg00061.html > Well, if OASIS publishes an XHTML version of the spec, with predictable > anchors for every numbered section, every implementer could publish > an Atom stream with a link to that particular section. Yes, that is an excellent suggestion IMHO. Could the ODF interop TC help with this? It seems like a very practical thing that doesn't add much value to the standard by itself but which could really help developers with interop. Bonus points if the anchors are persistent over different ODF versions when a certain element or section hasn't changed in the spec. -- Sander Marechal --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opendocument-users-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: opendocument-users-help@lists.oasis-open.org
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