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Subject: RE: [opendocument-users] What this list is for


FWIW my preference is to continue allowing "users" and developers to communicate, but narrow the discussion topic tightly so that as an unmoderated list off-topic comments will be more easily recognized and tagged as abuse.

Perhaps the topic "ideas and information on implementing and adopting OASIS OpenDocument" could be re-phrased something like "discussions limited to specific examples of implementing and adopting OASIS OpenDocument in applications"?

JC

===============================================
John C. Cody, Associate Counsel
Office of the NYS Chief Information Officer/NYS Office for Technology
http://www.cio.ny.gov
[The statements expressed herein are my own and do not necessarily reflect the policies, practices or opinions of my employer or anyone else.  Nothing herein constitutes legal advice - if you need legal advice, please consult your own attorney.]



-----Original Message-----
From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 4:46 PM
To: opendocument-users@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: RE: [opendocument-users] What this list is for

I was using the definition given on the ODF TC's homepage:
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=office#feedback

It is annoying that these two definitions are not identical.

For some XML standards, say DocBook or DITA, there are users that edit the XML directly.  So they are "users" of the standard.  And then there are tool authors who write tools to automate use of these standards.  In the case of ODF, no one writes ODF by hand.  So there are no "ODF users" in the same way there are DITA or DocBook users.  There are OpenOffice.org users and Symphony users, etc.  And there are ODF adopters.  But I think that is a different kind of thing.

In any case, going forward we can slice and dice these lists as we want.
So if people are happy in general with having this list as it is, and discussing user (in the broader sense) and development topics related to ODF, then we can do that.  Or we can create a separate opendocument-dev mailing list specifically for ODF programmability.  We could even have an opendocument-adoption list, if that is needed.

I don't want to have an unneeded proliferation of lists, but I have received some notes from people saying that are not happy with the off-topic side discussions on the list at present.

-Rob


"Cody, John (OFT)" <John.Cody@cio.ny.gov> wrote on 06/19/2009 10:20:50 PM:
>
> Rob:
>
> I was going by this description of the purpose of this list:
>
> "A public, unmoderated mailing list 'opendocument-users' has been
> created that provides an open forum for developers AND USERS to
> exchange ideas and information on implementing and adopting OASIS
> OpenDocument." (emphasis added)
>
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-comment/200511/msg00004.ht
> ml
>
> That's why I was posting a user inquiry here.
>
> To me, it looked like the departure from the list's purpose occurred
> not when the list was used by ODF users, but when it went off into
> discussions unrelated to "ideas and information on implementing and
> adopting OASIS OpenDocument."
>
> But if this list definitively is for developers only I will of course
> depart, thanks.  Can you please confirm?  Thanks, JC
>
> ===============================================
> John C. Cody, Associate Counsel
> Office of the NYS Chief Information Officer/NYS Office for Technology
> http://www.cio.ny.gov [The statements expressed herein are my own and
> do not necessarily reflect the policies, practices or opinions of my
> employer or anyone else.  Nothing herein constitutes legal advice - if
> you need legal advice, please consult your own attorney.]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert_weir@us.ibm.com [mailto:robert_weir@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 4:06 PM
> To: opendocument-users@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [opendocument-users] What this list is for
>
> As stated on the TC's home page, this list (opendocument-users) is "an
> open forum for developers to exchange ideas and information on
> implementing the office OASIS Standard ".  Ideally, the conversations
> here would be developer-oriented and about implementing
ODF.
>
> Other lists that may be of interest to list participants include:
>
> office-comment@lists.oasis-open.org is for submitting comments
> (proposals/defect reports) on the ODF standard
>
> oic-comment@lists.oasis-open.org is for submitting comments on the
> work of the OIC TC, which at this point is test suites and application
> scenarios
>
> plugtest@opendocsociety.org is the mailing list put up to discuss the
> recent plugfests and to help organize ongoing efforts related to ODF
> interoperability, aside from those already covered by the above two
TCs.
>
> Although I am flattered that some people seem to think that I
> personally control the entire ODF universe from an underground bunker
> someplace in Hell, I assure you that there are many people working on
> several loosely-coordinated interop initiatives in the ODF TC, the OIC
> TC , the Open Doc Society, BrowserShots.org and JTC1/SC34.  If you are
> interested in more detailed (and productive) interop discussions then
> please join the plugfest list above, or even consider joining the OIC
> TC.  There is certainly plenty of work to
do.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
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