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Subject: Minutes for 2 October 2014
Regrets
John Arwe (IBM), Nick Crossley (IBM), Martin Pain (IBM)
Resolutions
Chat transcript from room: oslc
2014-10-02 GMT-08:00
Roll Call
[07:09] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Attendance: Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM) Bill Chown (Mentor Graphics) Deric Merino Martin Sarabura (PTC) Sam Padgett (IBM) Steve Speicher (IBM)
Approval of Minutes 18 September
[07:10] Deric Merino morphed into Deric Merino (PTC)
[07:10] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Approval of minutes of Sep 18: No major resolutinos
[07:10] Steve Speicher (IBM): +1, look fine to me
[07:10] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Objections? None... Approved
Next meeting
[07:10] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Next call Oct 16
W3C RDF Data Shapes WG launch
[07:11] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Highlight announcement - w3c rdf shapes working group
[07:11] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Standardize from oslc resource shapes
[07:11] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Last year workshop agreement to standardize to address gap in linked data - no standard to constrain validation
[07:12] Martin Sarabura (PTC): New WG to address this problem
[07:12] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Plenty of other technologies - typical when there is a gap
[07:13] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Charter is open at this point
[07:13] Martin Sarabura (PTC): WG will have to go through requirements and validation, choose best candidate, proceed
[07:14] Martin Sarabura (PTC): IBM submitted OSLC resource shapes as candidate
[07:14] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Arnaud will be chair of this wg
[07:14] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Anyone is invited to participate
OSLC Attachments
[07:15] Martin Sarabura (PTC): OSLC attachments spec transitioned to core
[07:16] Martin Sarabura (PTC): CCM group agreed to transition it over - draft available
[07:16] Martin Sarabura (PTC): https://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/oslc-core/specs/attachments-v3.html
[07:17] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Sam: few small changes
[07:17] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Sam: Not a final spec, early draft. Hopefully namespace change will have little impact
[07:17] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Arnaud: Additional deliverable for core
Proposal to add oslc:archive to Core
[07:18] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Arnaud: Consider Steve's proposal to add "archive" state to core
[07:18] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Inconsistencies between tools how they manage the archived state
[07:19] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Useful for integration purposes
[07:19] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Some tools decide to expose only objects which are not archived
[07:19] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Looking for something easy to define/query against
[07:20] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Convert from non-archive to archive.
[07:20] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Add new term to core - boolean means archived
[07:20] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Missing or false means active
[07:22] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin: Why is archive not just another state?
[07:22] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Parallel to other states
[07:22] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Layered on top of other states
[07:23] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Perhaps better term is "status"
[07:23] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Bill: Active/archived are mutually exclusive conditions
[07:23] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Bill: Archived confused with "backed up"?
[07:24] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Bill: What is the goal?
[07:25] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Bill: I would call this "inactive" if that's what we mean
[07:26] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Active may be deceptive because it may be true but nobody is using it
[07:26] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Bill: Will think some more
[07:27] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Will elaborate - for instance read/write access vs read only
[07:28] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Bill: Active/inactive/active transitions can occur without archive action
[07:29] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Arnaud: Active means lack of activity, archive implies an admin action
[07:29] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Arnaud: Don't have to make decision quite yet - just came up
[07:30] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Bill: Will respond to thread
[07:30] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Sam: Two aspects: Does use case make sense? What do we want to call it?
[07:31] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Sam: Would delete it except some day you might want to look at it again
[07:33] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Martin: PTC does have a delete method but it's problematic
[07:33] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Sam: Obsolete better term?
[07:34] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Bill: Need to drop off call - will write up
[07:34] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Arnaud: Defer decision to next call
[07:35] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Arnaud: Don't have core spec in OASIS yet. What is the plan?
[07:35] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Have a draft
[07:35] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Arnaud: References to open-services.net that are not yet in the oasis spec
[07:36] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Two parts: Spec on our list, other is the shapes workl
[07:36] anonymous morphed into Lonnie at Sodius
Status Update
[07:37] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Status update? Here's your chance...
[07:37] Lonnie at Sodius: On the phone. But here to troll the chat
[07:38] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Template for respec
[07:38] Steve Speicher (IBM): This isn't on the list: OSLC Core Overview 3.0 http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/oslc-core/specs/oslc-core-overview-v3.html
[07:38] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Still incomplete. Updated recently. Areas need to expand on
[07:39] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Arnaud: This is a start...
[07:39] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Sam: Looking at attachments as well as resource preview - no changes to content, just structure for resource preview
[07:40] Martin Sarabura (PTC): Steve: Talking to Sam about delegated dialogs and other items - nothing ready to queue up for consideration
Meeting adjourned
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Arnaud Le Hors - Senior Technical Staff Member, Open Web Standards
- IBM Software Group
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