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Subject: Minutes 5 March 2015
Chair
Steve Speicher (IBM)
Scribe
Arnaud Le Hors (IBM)
Attendees
Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM,) Harish (Software AG), ian green (IBM), Martin Pain (IBM), Martin Sarabura (PTC), Samuel Padgett (IBM), Steve Speicher (IBM)
Regrets
Arthur, Nick
Resolutions
Chat transcript from room: oslc
2015-03-05 GMT-08:00
Approval of Minutes of 19 February 2015
[07:05] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): https://wiki.oasis-open.org/oslc-core/Meetings/Telecon2015.02.19#Minutes
[07:06] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): RESOLVED: Approved Minutes of 19 February 2015
Next call: 19 March 2015
Status update on drafts
[07:08] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Discovery 3.0
[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Steve: still planning on some changes, no updates yet
[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Delegated Dialog
[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Sam: got some feedback and have been updating the doc
[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... have been implementing it
[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... would like to suggest a change
[07:09] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... started looking at implementation on mobile
[07:09] Steve Speicher (IBM): https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/oslc-core/email/archives/201503/msg00010.html
[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... open dialogs open a new window on phones
[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... can't fit everything in the same page
[07:10] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... had to change a property to make that work
[07:11] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... would like to add that change to the spec
[07:11] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... it could be useful on a desktop too
[07:12] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: how does one know which version of delegated dialog is used?
[07:13] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... wonder if we should have something that lets you find out
[07:13] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: this is a discovery question
[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: it's not so much a version question but whether this model is supported
[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: right
[07:14] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: we could add a property to indicate support
[07:15] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... not sure whether this is necessary since you're supposed to support it in 3.0
[07:15] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): issue is a 3.0 consumer and a 2.0 dialog
[07:16] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... if the client puts the dialog in a different window it wouldn't work
[07:18] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: how about a link header?
[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: I think we need to solve this more broadly, not just for dialog
[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: feels like an edge case though
[07:20] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... table it for now and see later whether we need a general solution or we solve it just for dialog
[07:21] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: a header that tells you it's a 3.0 server would solve the problem
[07:23] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: typically not every component gets updated at the same time so it's a fairly frequent situation
[07:25] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: is .opener property meaningful to the browser?
[07:26] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: yes, it tells you when a window was opened by _javascript_
[07:26] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: seems to have agreement on the addition
[07:28] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: in case of delegated picker, can selection dialog be prefilled?
[07:28] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... martins raised the issue too
[07:29] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: I wonder if associating a shape would address the problem
[07:30] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: don't think that's enough
[07:30] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: sounds like a different use case to me
[07:32] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martin: there are many different scenarios
[07:33] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: we have a solution for creation dialog we could generalize it
[07:33] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: I'd support that
[07:34] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): martins: I think that would be helpful to have that in the spec, otherwise new people may not know
[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: sounds like we could make it general for dialog
[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Common Vocabulary
[07:35] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: need to incorporate feedback I received
[07:36] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Overview, Resource Preview, Attachments: ready for publication?
[07:36] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: wonder if we should say something about mobile in Preview
[07:37] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... never created a json format for dialog
[07:37] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe we need to do that
[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: re: mobile, it's never been clear what we should say
[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe this is something for the Guidance doc
[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... could have a section on mobile
[07:38] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... you don't use preview on mobile
[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: not mandating anything for mobile but not giving any guidance either, could be good to do
[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... agree that preview not very useful on mobile
[07:40] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe on tablet
[07:41] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... maybe better to leave it open but make sure we don't break anything
[07:41] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: could have guidance on how it's displayed without getting into the gesture to get it
[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: maybe we could have some guidance if we can agree
[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Actions
[07:42] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: martinp submitted work that was done at open-services.net
[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... proposed to accept the work and start restructuring
[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): RESOLVED: accept Actions as initial working draft
[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: we need to find an editor
[07:43] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... any takers?
[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... will need to find someone
[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Link Guidance
[07:44] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: no progress?
[07:45] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ian: no, but haven't forgotten, should be able to work on this soon
OSLC 3 reference impl
[07:46] Samuel Padgett (IBM): http://oslc3.mybluemix.net/
[07:46] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Sam shared link to source code
[07:46] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: attachments still need to be implemented
[07:47] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... contributions welcome!
OSLC 3 testing conformance approaches
[07:47] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): sam: might make sense to use the LDP framework
[07:47] Samuel Padgett (IBM): https://github.com/w3c/ldp-testsuite
[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... it works pretty well
[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... running the tests generates a report, including in EARL, that can be concatenated
[07:48] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... RESTassured makes it easy
[07:49] Steve Speicher (IBM): LDP WG impl conformance reports: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/tests/reports/ldp.html
[07:49] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... added annotations to indicate conformance levels: SHOULD, MAY, MUST
[07:49] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... thinking is to use the same thing here, and possibly use some of the LDP assets for OSLC
[07:51] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): Steve: Any other business?
[07:51] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): steve: march is meant to be the month when we try to lock down our documents to publish for public review
[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... and hopefully publish as Committee Specification
[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... after that we can decide whether to go for OASIS Standard
[07:52] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... we would probably want to sync up with some of the domains to also be at Committee Specification stage
[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... to go together to OASIS Standard stage
[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): ... any questions?
[07:53] Arnaud J Le Hors (IBM): no objections
Meeting Adjourned
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