Re: [pki-guidelines] RE: New TC needed? Was.Potential dates/times for AGSC meeting

["Anders Rundgren" <anders.rundgren@telia.com>]

Hi Mary,
I understand.  I'm also aware of that there are SCs that carry out technical stuff on their own.
The difference is, that these SCs operate under a *well-defined* "umbrella" like UBL.
That means that there may be a marketing SC, draft SC, etc. etc.

Although the umbrella in PKI-TC could be "PKI", I think that this is really theoretical,
as the other SCs has no direct links to TPKI, they carry out entirely separate missions.

There is also a marketing issue.  PKI-TC does not sound as TPKI.
There should be a TPKI (or something like that) with SCs dealing with
different aspects of the TPKI technology.

thanx
Anders Rundgren

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
To: "'Anders Rundgren'" <anders.rundgren@telia.com>; "'Arshad Noor'" <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>; "'PKI Application Guidelines'"
<pki-guidelines@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 20:53
Subject: [pki-guidelines] RE: New TC needed? Was.Potential dates/times for AGSC meeting


Hi Anders,

  Not quite, but I'm not sure of the scope of the work so I can't say definitively, but there are several TCs who carry out the
majority of the technical work in subcommittees. The SC is free to make as many decisions as necessary in crafting the draft
document by consensus, but in order to move forward, such as voting the document as a committee draft, the vote would need to be
undertaken by the full TC. In most cases those that care about the work participate in the SC so there theoretically wouldn't be
much opposition in the full group.

Regards,

Mary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anders Rundgren [mailto:anders.rundgren@telia.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 2:49 PM
> To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; 'Arshad Noor'; 'PKI
> Application Guidelines'
> Subject: New TC needed? Was.Potential dates/times for AGSC meeting
>
> Mary,
> I'm certainly not an expert in OASIS rules although I have
> been a member since 2001.
> However, what you are saying seems like a major problem.
>
> IF this TC would actually start a standardization effort,
> there will be literally zillions of very technical decisions
> that must be taken.  To drag these into the main committee
> and list is not an option.
>
> My conclusion is that a standardization effort MUST spawn a new TC.
> BTW, I think this is better as the skill-sets needed for
> carrying out market surveys and writing standards are pretty
> different.
>
> Although the interest may be picking up, we are way below the
> critical mass for carrying out technical stuff.
>
> A *credible* STANDARDS effort would need at least 10 people
> from leading *tech* companies as well.
>
> But the TC has not yet decided what to do as far as I can tell.
> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/pki-tc/200601/msg00012.html
>
> Regards
> Anders Rundgren
> Principal Engineer
> RSA Security
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary McRae" <marypmcrae@gmail.com>
> To: "'Arshad Noor'" <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>; "'PKI
> Application Guidelines'" <pki-guidelines@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 15:09
> Subject: RE: [pki-guidelines] Potential dates/times for AGSC meeting
>
>
> Hi Arshad,
>
>   Please note that observers should *not* be considered as
> members of the TC. They are not allowed by our rules to
> contribute; only
> to monitor the ongoing email and teleconference discussions.
> Also, there is no difference in a subcommittee between a member and a
> voting member since subcommittees can only recommend to the
> main committee and all decisions must be approved within the larger
> committee body. Therefore, there is no need for a quorum per se.
>
> I'm glad to see that interest is picking up!
>
> Regards,
>
> Mary
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Mary P McRae
> OASIS
> Manager of TC Administration
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>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Arshad Noor [mailto:arshad.noor@strongauth.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:15 PM
> > To: PKI Application Guidelines
> > Subject: [pki-guidelines] Potential dates/times for AGSC meeting
> >
> > It appears that the TPKI project is generating enough
> > interest to warrant holding regular meetings.  I am,
> > therefore, canvassing for appropriate dates/times that will
> > work for the subcommitee members.
> >
> > I notice that we have the following demographics from the
> > OASIS AGSC roster:
> >
> > EU US-EST US-PST Total
> > -- ------ ------ -----
> >
> > Voting Member 1 1   2
> > Member 1 1   2
> > Observer 1 1 1   3
> > -----
> >   7
> > =====
> >
> > I'm not sure what the quorum guidelines are, but it appears
> > that common-sense dictates, both voting members must be
> > available for an item to be brought to vote, and that at least
> > 3 of the 4 members (or should it be 4 of 7
> > members+observers?) should be present to form a quorum.  I
> > will clarify that with the administrative people at OASIS,
> > but in the meantime, lets try to find meeting times that
> work for us.
> >
> > I would recommend that we begin meeting starting in February 2006.
> > I propose the following dates and times; please let me know
> > which ones work for you on a monthly cycle.
> >
> > February 07, 2006 09:00am PST, 12:00 Noon EST, 17:00 GMT
> > February 08, 2006 09:00am PST, 12:00 Noon EST, 17:00 GMT
> > February 09, 2006 09:00am PST, 12:00 Noon EST, 17:00 GMT
> >
> > This will give us a chance to prepare the minutes and report
> > it to the TC meetings that are held the following week.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Arshad Noor
> > StrongAuth, Inc.
>