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Subject: Re: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern
Team Yes we are having a HRXML WG call tomorrow. Sorry for having not sent out a reminder before now. The call details are below: Tuesday, 08 March 2005, 12:00pm to 01:00pm ET Dial-in Number: (866)545-5223 (Inside United States/Canada) (865)673-9887 (Outside of the United States/Canada) Conference ID: 5272389 Agenda - Review draft use cases considering further feedback - Discuss depth of content for April HRXML quarterly meeting presentation Darran Restout, Romuald wrote: > Hi Darran, > > I will be available for the call tomorrow at 11:00 Cetral/9:00 Pacific. > > Is there an agenda that has been posted? > > Also can you resend the call information? > > > > Just to give you a little bit of background on me and user provisioning: > > I've been working for an Applicant Tracking System company named Taleo > for 5 years, during which I was -among many other things- responsible > for the integration architecture, including, of course, user provisioning. > > So I've been through the process of implementing it with numerous > F1000 and several F100 companies. > > > > One thing I would add to the scenario Matt sent is a step upstream. > > Usually the "master" source of information comes from either a > corporate directory (e.g. LDAP, Active Directory) or from a Human > Resource Management System (HRMS), which is the HR part of an ERP. > (Sorry for the basics, I don't know how literate you are in terms of > HR technology). > > So the typical -amended- scenario would be: > > > > 1. A New Hire notification arrives at the Office Management Department > (or the IT department) > > 2. The user manager enters user information into the system. Typically > this includes user's name, employee id, role(s), a list of system she > has access to, ... > > 3. The system creates the user id, and provides a default > authentication mechanism. > > 4. The system notifies the systems the user has access to, of the new > user information. > > 5. The Applicant Tracking System (ATS) creates the user, assign a role > that corresponds to the role provided by the HRMS. > > 6. [Matt Use-Case] > > Super User of ATS creates new user with Recruiter role and permission > to perform pre-employment screening. This user must also exist in the > screening vendor system for authentication and billing purposes. ATS > vendor must be able to pass new user information to the screening > vendor so that screening vendor can create the user and send > acknowledgement of creation and possibly different username and > password for the ATS system to match on. > > > > Relates to CPOs: > > > > PersonName > > PersonDescriptors > > ContactMethod > > PostalAddress > > Others? > > > > > > Romuald Restout > > Principal, Technology Practice; Humanuo > > -----Original Message----- > From: Darran Rolls [mailto:Darran.Rolls@Sun.COM] > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:48 PM > To: Paul Kiel > Cc: 'Matt Tobiasen'; chucka@hr-xml.org; Restout, Romuald > Subject: Re: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > > > > Paul > > > > Thanks for the introduction. Hi Romuald. If you'd like to jump on a > > catchup call, let me know. Yes I have an AI for the first draft of the > > use cases. I'll have that before the end of the week. > > > > Regarding the call, I hate to be Mr Change, but is there any chance we > > (Matt and Romuald) can move the 3/8 meeting out a couple of hours to > > 11am-noon central time? > > > > Thanks > > Darran > > > > > > Paul Kiel wrote: > > > >>Darran, > >> > >>I am very pleased with how things are progressing. If I can steal away at > >>this time, I'll join the call. Otherwise Matt will be there. > >> > >>I absolutely agree with the notion of presenting real world implementation > >>information at the April meeting as opposed to product descriptions and > >>capabilities. (Although you may get follow up questions about that > latter.) > >> > >>If you could also "CC" Romuald Restout of Humanuo on this topic, I have > >>enlisted him as well (see email address). He is well versed in this > area of > >>provisioning. I don't think he is intimate with SPML but has done an > >>implementation of SAML in the context of provisioning. I am not sure > if we > >>want to get into SAML in this document we are working on - it may be > >>muddying the waters. But we could keep it in mind for some more detailed > >>work as we go along here. At any rate, Romuald is very familiar with the > >>use case presented by Matt. > >> > >>My understanding is that you are drafting text around Matt's use case and > >>will send us a link before the next call on 3/8. In the meantime, I > will do > >>some playing around with the xml using some of our reusable components > >>inside SPML as a first stab. When I get a chance to do this, I'll send it > >>out. Finally, Romuald has some thoughts on this use case that he will > share > >>- especially around requirements. > >> > >>Cheers for now, > >>Paul > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Darran Rolls [mailto:Darran.Rolls@Sun.COM] > >>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:01 PM > >>To: Matt Tobiasen > >>Cc: paul@hr-xml.org > >>Subject: Re: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > >> > >> > >>Great speak to you then. I'll have a draft of the UseCase doc before > then. > >>Darran > >> > >>Matt Tobiasen wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>That works for me. > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Darran Rolls [mailto:Darran.Rolls@Sun.COM] > >>>Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:50 AM > >>>To: Matt Tobiasen > >>>Cc: paul@hr-xml.org > >>>Subject: Re: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > >>> > >>>Matt > >>>Can we make it 9am CT on 3/8? > >>>Darran > >>> > >>>Matt Tobiasen wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Darren, > >>>> > >>>>I'm available 3/8/2005 at 11:00 AM CST and via email or phone if you > >>>>have any questions (212-812-1034). > >>>> > >>>>Paul - I can get you the paragraph or two use case and a CPO example > >>>>of what I'm thinking by Friday. > >>>> > >>>>Matt > >>>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: Darran Rolls [mailto:Darran.Rolls@Sun.COM] > >>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:15 PM > >>>>To: Paul Kiel > >>>>Cc: Matt Tobiasen > >>>>Subject: Re: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > >>>> > >>>>Maybe we should postpone to that week - we can get a lot done via > >>>>email > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>between now and then right? > >>>>That said, the following week I'm on vacation for spring break with my > >>>>kids. I could still make a call but would rather not. Perhaps Matt > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>and > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I could still meet at that time unless another time fits better that > >>>>same week? > >>>> > >>>>Darran > >>>> > >>>>Paul Kiel wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Very good. Unfortunately, I can't make that meeting date - I will be > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>in > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Vancouver all that week at a WS-I meeting. The week following works > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>for me. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Paul > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>From: Darran Rolls [mailto:Darran.Rolls@Sun.COM] > >>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:39 PM > >>>>>To: Paul Kiel > >>>>>Cc: 'Matt Tobiasen' > >>>>>Subject: Re: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Paul > >>>>> > >>>>>No worries. Matt was able to give us an excellent introduction to the > >>>>>relevant issues and we made good progress towards an outline set of > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>use > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>cases. I have a few notes to type up and send out later tonight. We > >>>>>didn't set a specific date for the next meeting. From here out the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>next > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>steps can be remote as we iterate over a strawman set of use cases > >>>>>and > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>a > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>model for the interoperation ready for the April meeting. So lets > >>>>>tentatively book a next call date for Tuesday March 8th at which time > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>we > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>can continue to review the use cases and integration model. > >>>>> > >>>>>Could you both make a call later that day, say at 11am central? > >>>>> > >>>>>Darran > >>>>> > >>>>>Paul Kiel wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Matt and Darran, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>First, Matt - thanks for covering me on this meeting, I was simply > >>>>>>unable to make it. My sincerest apologies Darran!. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>We have a slot for Darran to speak at in April and I would > >>>>>>definitely > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>like to highlight your use case. We are essentially agreed that the > >>>>>>technical implementation details are for their official spec. But a > >>>>>>"SPML for dummies" document which is based on an actual use case is > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>the > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>type of document we can help with. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>If you could put your use case into a paragraph or two, I would like > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>to > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>go through our CPOs and work with the spml schema in order to > >>>>>>fashion > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>a > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>potential first draft of the xml. You know most of our CPOs, so if > >>>>>>there are a few you know your use case would need, I'll work with > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>that. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>Darran - when is the next meeting scheduled for? One or two weeks, > >>>>>>same time? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Again, I apologize for not making this meeting. Life comes in > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>bunches > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>sometimes. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Paul > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: Matt Tobiasen [mailto:mtobiasen@sterlingtesting.com] > >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:45 PM > >>>>>>To: Paul Kiel > >>>>>>Subject: RE: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Paul, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I attended the SPML call this morning and we discussed Sterling's > >>>>>>use > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>case which is basically creating/updating a user in our system when > >>>>>>a > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>user is created/changed in a trading partner system (e.g. ATS). > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Darren is going to write up the use case as he sees it and then > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>bounce > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>it off me and the Screening group. He will use this use case in his > >>>>>>presentation in April. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I suggested to him (and he agrees) it would be interesting to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>introduce > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>the use case and initial design in the April meeting and then follow > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>up > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>with an implementation in the next meeting. I believe that is the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>kind > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>of presentation the members would like to see...actual real word > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>design > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>and implementation vs. the "here's our product and what it can do > >>>>>>for > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>you" dog and pony show we sometimes get (read: "Maximizing Return on > >>>>>>Outsourced HR Applications Through Federated Identity Management and > >>>>>>Cross-Domain Provisioning, blah, blah, blah"). > >>>>>> > >>>>>>You can reach me directly at 212-812-1034 if you would like to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>discuss. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>Regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Matt > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: Paul Kiel [mailto:paul@hr-xml.org] > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:33 AM > >>>>>>To: Matt Tobiasen > >>>>>>Subject: RE: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Sure. > >>>>>>I may do some poking around with the schemas, incorporating some of > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>our > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>CPOs > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>into them. Below is a snip from an email Chuck had sent out to some > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>(you may have seen it). > >>>>>> > >>>>>>At any rate, just when you can. > >>>>>>Paul > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>************ > >>>>>>Provisioning > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>an initial provisioning as well as maintenance of the information. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>The > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>information would include things such as > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>name, > >>>>>>title, > >>>>>>organizational unit, > >>>>>>contact methods, > >>>>>>role with regard to the ATS (hiring manager, HR manager, etc.), > >>>>>>active/inactive status (whether the person can currently post > >>>>>>jobs/requisitions). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>We have types for most of these items defined. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Here are some documents that provide some general background: > >>>>>>>http://ns.hr-xml.org/2_3/HR-XML-2_3/SIDES/SIDES.html > >>>>>>>http://ns.hr-xml.org/2_3/HR-XML-2_3/SEP/StaffingExchangeProtocol.htm > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>l > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>Best Regards, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Chuck Allen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: Matt Tobiasen [mailto:mtobiasen@sterlingtesting.com] > >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:40 PM > >>>>>>To: Paul Kiel > >>>>>>Subject: RE: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Is it OK if I get it to you mid next week? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: Paul Kiel [mailto:paul@hr-xml.org] > >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:35 PM > >>>>>>To: Matt Tobiasen > >>>>>>Subject: RE: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Actually, if you could ping me with a paragraph on your use case, I > >>>>>>could do some poking around with the schemas a bit before this call. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>It would at least show them how much we don't know about spml! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I'll forward on the paragraph to the spml folks so they can read > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>before > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>the call. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Thanks, > >>>>>>Paul > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: Matt Tobiasen [mailto:mtobiasen@sterlingtesting.com] > >>>>>>Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:55 PM > >>>>>>To: Paul Kiel > >>>>>>Cc: chucka@hr-xml.org > >>>>>>Subject: RE: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Right-o > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: Paul Kiel [mailto:paul@hr-xml.org] > >>>>>>Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:52 PM > >>>>>>To: Matt Tobiasen > >>>>>>Cc: chucka@hr-xml.org > >>>>>>Subject: HR-XML - SPML group call - feb 22 10am eastern > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Call in info for the 22nd is the same as the last call, which is > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>listed > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>below. I've promised them at least one domain person from HR-XML to > >>>>>>sketch out a simple use case. Not in writing, just verbally, so we > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>can > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>hash out details and see what next steps are. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>You da man. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: Darran Rolls [mailto:Darran.Rolls@Sun.COM] > >>>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:02 PM > >>>>>>To: paul@hr-xml.org; provision@lists.oasis-open.org > >>>>>>Subject: Re: [provision] Groups - HR-XML Working Group Call modified > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Team attending the HR-XML WG call. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>NOTE: > >>>>>>- Call details below > >>>>>>- Meeting will be the hour before the usual committee call > >>>>>>- Draft slides on V2 spec to run through with Paul can be found at > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>[1] > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>- > >>>>>> > >>>>>>pls review and comment > >>>>>> > >>>>>>[1] > >>>>>>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/provision/download.php/ > >>>>>>1 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>1 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>24 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>4/Dr > >>>>>>aftV2SpecificationOutline-noAmim.pdf > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Darran.Rolls@Sun.COM wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>HR-XML Working Group Call has been modified by Mr Darran Rolls > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Date: Tuesday, 01 February 2005 > >>>>>>>Time: 10:00am - 11:00am ET > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Event Description: > >>>>>>>Dial-in Number: (866)545-5223 (Inside United States/Canada) > >>>>>>>(865)673-9887 (Outside of the United States/Canada) Conference ID: > >>>>>>>5272389 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Agenda: > >>>>>>>Working group call on HR-XML interoperation. > >>>>>>>Go through referenced overview slides > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Minutes: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>View event details: > >>>>>>>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/provision/event.php?eve > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>n > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>t > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>_ > >>>>>>>id=6986 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>PLEASE NOTE: If the above link does not work for you, your email > >>>>>>>application may be breaking the link into two pieces. 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