Draft minutes for TC re-start meeting, 20100816.

[Gary Cole <gary.cole@oracle.com>]

Monday, 16 August,  2pm ET
Conference Dial-in Number: (712) 432-1600

Attendees:
Gary Cole (Oracle)
Robin Cover (OASIS)
Marco Fanti (Oracle)
Karsten Huneycutt (UNC - Chapel Hill)
Anil John (Johns Hopkins University APL)
Hal Lockhart (Oracle)
Mary McRae (OASIS)
Prateek Mishra (Oracle)
Dale Olds (Novell)
Dan Perry (Skyworth TTG)
Richard Sand (Skyworth TTG)
Kent Spaulding (Oracle)

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Attendees elected Richard Sand and Gary Cole as co-chairs:
- Richard Sand nominated himself;
- Prateek Mishra nominated Gary Cole.
- Mary McRae, hearing no objection to co-chairs, nor to Richard and  
Gary as co-chairs, declared them such.

Richard Sand described what he hopes the PSTC will accomplish:
- Sent out to the list  (a month or so back) proposals for charter:
-- New version of SPML to facilitate adoption, increase relevance of  
spec.
-- Cloud use-cases will need SPML and SAML as building blocks of cloud  
enablement.
- Philosophically, Richard's watchwords are pragmatism and relevance.

Hal and Prateek said that they could not find the document to which  
Richard referred:
- See Mary McRae's email of June 27 to the list with the subject "Re:  
SPML 3 Charter".
- That link is: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/provision/email/archives/201006/msg00002.html

Prateek summarized Oracle's position on the proposed charter:
- Oracle believes SPML is Important; Oracle uses the standard.  Oracle  
is skeptical of the need for new version of the standard.
- SPML 2.0 has a lot of function.  Oracle questions whether any  
fundamental characteristic precludes applying SPML 2 to specific  
business problems.
- Oracle would prefer to maintain, profile, improve, enhance, or  
restrict SPML 2.0 rather than to develop a new major-version of SPML.

Richard acknowledged that Oracle's experience may differ from that of  
Skyworth TTG, which Richard described as more of a boutique.
- Richard pointed out that the PSTC has been dormant.  SPML has not  
been profiled to address the types of use-cases Richard describes.
- Richard believes because SPML 2.0 was insufficiently relevant: well- 
engineered, but for business reasons not adopted as one might expect.
- Richard believes a new version can improve on the concepts of SPML  
so that SPML becomes more relevant.  Better to start with a clean slate.

Anil suggested that we discuss on the mailing list the proposed  
charter and the use-cases we intend to address.
- This discussion should occur *before* the PSTC decides whether to A)  
put out a new version of SPML
   or to B) develop profiles or examples to illustrate how to apply  
SPML 2 to particular business problems.

Richard agreed to discussing these topics on the list.

Anil asked the committee to decide the time of regularly-scheduled TC  
meetings--or at least the time of the next meeting.

Richard said that he prefers Monday or Friday.  ID Cloud meets Monday  
at the same time on alternating weeks.

Anil suggested using the Doodle poll tool to choose a recurring time.

The time of the next meeting is set for the same time as today, but  
two weeks from now: 2pm ET, Mon, Aug 30.

Richard: respond on list with goals; where we want to go with SPMLv2.

Mary pointed out that the PSTC must update its charter, even if the  
PSTC's scope does not change.

Prateek responded that talk of updating charter alarms Oracle.  Oracle  
agrees at this point only to election of co-chairs and to another  
meeting.

Meeting adjourned 2:47 pm ET.