Groups - Bi-weekly PSTC meeting modified

[Gary.Cole@oracle.com]

Pasting agenda and minutes into OASIS Calendar entry for Oct 11 meeting of
the PSTC.

 -- Gary Cole


Bi-weekly PSTC meeting has been modified by Gary Cole

Date:  Monday, 11 October 2010
Time:  02:00pm - 03:00pm ET

Event Description:
This is for the biweekly PSTC meeting.   This will occur every other Monday at 2pm EST, starting on 11 Oct 2010.
We will be using the following dial-in (same as on past calls)
+1 (866) 434-5269  x 9406791

Agenda:
Agenda:
1) Roll Call and Agenda Review
2) Approval of Sep 27th Meeting Minutes
3) Discuss the PSTC charter
4) Discuss Use Cases
5) AOB


Minutes:
Minutes of the October 11th meeting of the OASIS PSTC.

Meeting Date: 	October 11th, 2010
Meeting Time: 	2PM Eastern
Location:		Tel=866.434.5269  Meeting Number=9406791
Duration: 		Approximately 50 minutes
Chairs:		Richard Sand, Gary Cole
Recording Secretary:	Dan Perry

Attendees:

Tom Zeller (Internet2)
Anil John (JHU-APL)
Chi Wu (JHU-APL)
Gary Cole (Oracle)
Marco Fanti (Oracle)
Hal Lockhart (Oracle)
Kent Spaulding (Oracle)
Dan Perry (Skyworth TTG)
Richard Sand (Skyworth TTG)
Karsten Huneycutt (UNC-Chapel Hill)

Several voting members from recent meetings were unable to attend:
Dale Olds (Novell)
Anil Saldhana (Redhat)
Prateek Mishra (Oracle)
Darren Rolls (SailPoint)

In addition, several non-voting members from previous meetings were
unable to attend:
James Bryce Clark (OASIS)
Robin Cover (OASIS)
Mary McRae (OASIS)
Chris Obremski (JHU-APL)
Todd Clayton (Skyworth TTG)


Agenda:
1) Roll Call and Agenda Review
2) Approval of Sep 27th Meeting Minutes
3) Discuss the PSTC charter
4) Discuss Use Cases
5) AOB


1) Roll Call and Agenda Review:
- Richard took roll.
- Quorum was achieved (10 voting members present).
- Voting status changes: none.


2) Approval of Sep 27th Meeting Minutes:
- Richard Sand moves to approve the 9/27 minutes.
- No objections.


3) PSTC Charter
- Richard Sand asks the group if we are close to having a clarified charter, and if we are ready to vote on the revised charter in the near-future.
- Gary Cole: Agrees that the current draft of the charter looks good.
- Richard Sand: Suggests making the next meeting (on 10/25) a deadline for comments on the charter.
- Gary Cole: Agrees that the deadline should be next meeting.
- Hal Lockhart: Mentions the we are doing a charter update to clarify the existing charter. Also notes that the approval of the clarified charter requires a ballot run by TC admin.
- Richard Sand: Will polish up draft charter to and send list for a last review.  Next meeting we will take a committee vote on whether to put charter to ballot.
- Gary Cole: Agrees


4) Use Cases

- Richard Sand: Suggests coming up with a bullet list of what use cases "could be".  That bullet list can then be handed out to interested members so they can complete writing up those cases.
- Gary Cole: Thinks that sort of an approach might be interesting.   
- Richard Sand: Elaborates that he would like to use a list of use case to help get things moving.
- Gary Cole: Asks to see more detail. Was expecting that people already had use cases in mind to illustrate the shortcomings of SPML.
- Richard: Reiterates earlier point, looking to use the bullet list to draw out people's interests in SPML as a tool. 


- Richard Sand: Moves on to discuss higher-level IDM functions in SPML. SPML is very focused on lower level CRUD operations. Possible higher-level functions that come to mind are password resets & role management.
- Anil John: Asks for details on what exactly are these higher-level functions.  Asks whether they are they included in the existing SPML 2.0 standard.  Also asks whether these functions are implemented in other standards like SAML.
- Richard Sand: Clarifies that we haven't got the point to decide whether we need to extend the current SPML standard or not.  Wanted to explore using higher-level functions to make implementing use cases easier.  These higher-level functions seem to be really useful for service-providers being able to stand up very atomic operations for the services they provide and not just provide lower-level operations.
- Gary Cole: Asks for specific examples as to "what" can't be done with the current SPML standard.
- Richard Sand: States that he's trying to point out the differences between what the current SPML standard can technically do and what the standard can do "well".
- Hal Lockhart: As background, there are several things that can be done with submitted use cases by TC.   One is to declare use cases out-of-scope for the particular TC.  Another is to use concepts like profiling to come up with a way to handle the use case.   A final way to handle a use case is to add support for that case to the existing spec.
Going back to the specific conversation at hand - at this point the most important thing to do right now is to capture enough detail in the use-cases for the TC to make such a decision in the future.
- Richard Sand: Agrees with Hal's comment.   States that his main point is that SPML lacks some of the higher-level features to make it function smoothly.
- Gary Cole:  States that he is trying to keep "conclusions from being drawn before the argument is made".  He is looking forward to seeing the proposed use cases.
- Richard Sand: Will have use cases out to the list for review by the next meeting (on 10/25).


5) AOB
- Richard Sand: Asks if there is any other business.
 (No Responses)
- Gary Cole moves to adjourn the meeting.


** Next meeting: Monday, October 25, 2PM Eastern Time (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada). **


This event is one in a list of recurring events.
Other event dates in this series:

Monday, 27 September 2010, 02:00pm to 03:00pm ET
Monday, 25 October 2010, 02:00pm to 03:00pm ET
Monday, 08 November 2010, 02:00pm to 03:00pm ET
Monday, 22 November 2010, 02:00pm to 03:00pm ET
Monday, 06 December 2010, 02:00pm to 03:00pm ET
Monday, 20 December 2010, 02:00pm to 03:00pm ET

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