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Subject: Re: [regrep-cc-review] Re: ACC or ABIE? (Was Re: [regrep-cc-review] Association Core Components - Represent withAssociations)


<Quote>
Residence Address.Details (sorry - no underscore on my blackberry) is a
ABIE that is derived through the application of context to the ACC of
address details.
</Quote>

Ah - that's very helpful (I may need to retract my "Slight Adjustment"
from this morning). What context category would this be associated with?

I think a statement in the CCTS spec clarifying this as an ABIE would be
helpful (unless I missed it).

Joe

"CRAWFORD, Mark" wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> Sorry, but it breaks the model.  Residence Address.Details (sorry - no underscore on my blackberry) is a ABIE that is derived through the application of context to the ACC of address details.  Remember there is a many to one relationship btwn BIEs and CCs - not one-to-one that creating artificial CCs would create.  If you apply qualifiers to CCs, you are in Fact applying context. Bottom line - not saying residence address details shouldn't exist, just saying it only exists as an ABIE.
> 
> I can understand the need to differentiate how objects are stored*, but I don't believe you should in any way redefine or break the CC model.
> Mark Crawford
> Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead
> W3C Advisory Committee, OASIS, RosettaNet Representative
> Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC & Chair Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee
> Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group
> Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> To: CRAWFORD, Mark <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org>
> CC: regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org <regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Mon Aug 11 09:51:29 2003
> Subject: Re: [regrep-cc-review] Re: ACC or ABIE? (Was Re: [regrep-cc-review]    Association Core Components  -  Represent withAssociations)
> 
> Thanks Mark. I hope you'll forgive us if we handle this a bit
> differently in our implementation (we will clearly document where we
> deviate). We definitely have a need in our registry architecture to
> represent entities such as "ResidenceAddress. Details" as reusable
> ExtrinsicObjects for our users. We would be irresponsible to our
> implementers and users if we did not do so.
> 
> Apologies for this deviation, but when taken in context of our registry
> architecture we feel it is necessary.
> 
> Joe
> 
> "CRAWFORD, Mark" wrote:
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > Good question. The included ABIE's are in fact represented by ASBIE's. We made that shift last summer to address the properties issue.
> > Mark Crawford
> > Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead
> > W3C Advisory Committee, OASIS, RosettaNet Representative
> > Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC & Chair Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee
> > Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group
> > Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components
> > ______
> > Logistics Management Institute
> > 2000 Corporate Ridge, McLean, VA 22102-7805
> > (703) 917-7177   Fax (703) 917-7481
> > Wireless (703) 655-4810
> > mcrawford@lmi.org
> > http://www.lmi.org
> > "Opportunity is what you make of it"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > To: CRAWFORD, Mark <MCRAWFORD@lmi.org>
> > CC: CCRev <regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > Sent: Mon Aug 11 08:58:27 2003
> > Subject: Re: [regrep-cc-review] Re: ACC or ABIE? (Was Re: [regrep-cc-review]   Association Core Components  -  Represent withAssociations)
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Does that mean an ABIE can contain other ABIEs "directly" - i.e. without
> > the use of an ASBIE? If so, can you please point us to the proper
> > section of the CCTS spec? (not challenging, just asking for
> > clarification)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe
> >
> > "CRAWFORD, Mark" wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually an ABIE can contain other ABIEs.
> > > Mark Crawford
> > > Research Fellow - LMI XML Lead
> > > W3C Advisory Committee, OASIS, RosettaNet Representative
> > > Vice Chair - OASIS UBL TC & Chair Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee
> > > Chair - UN/CEFACT XML Syntax Working Group
> > > Editor - UN/CEFACT Core Components
> > > ______
> > > Logistics Management Institute
> > > 2000 Corporate Ridge, McLean, VA 22102-7805
> > > (703) 917-7177   Fax (703) 917-7481
> > > Wireless (703) 655-4810
> > > mcrawford@lmi.org
> > > http://www.lmi.org
> > > "Opportunity is what you make of it"
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>
> > > To: Diego Ballvé <diego.ballve@republica.fi>
> > > CC: Monica Martin <monica.martin@sun.com>; Farrukh Najmi <farrukh.najmi@sun.com>; CCRev <regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org>
> > > Sent: Mon Aug 11 08:48:34 2003
> > > Subject: Re: [regrep-cc-review] Re: ACC or ABIE? (Was Re: [regrep-cc-review]  Association Core Components  -  Represent withAssociations)
> > >
> > > Forwarding Diego's response to Monica's question.
> > >
> > > Diego Ballvé wrote:
> > > >
> > > Monica,
> > > >
> > > > mm1: Is it possible we have an ABIE within an ABIE? I am just
> > > > asking not advocating at this point.
> > > >
> > > It depends on how you interpret "within". The long answer is:
> > > ABIE maps to UML class, which can have (UML) properties. These
> > > properties can be:
> > > - simple -> represented by BBIE -> linked to DataType;
> > > - complex -> represented by ASBIE -> linked to ABIE;
> > > So, ABIEs do not contain ABIEs directly. Instead, they contain
> > > ASBIEs which are actually references to ABIEs. Similarly,
> > > classes do not contain classes; they contain fields that are
> > > typed after a primitive or another class.
> > > >
> > > > Diego
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