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Subject: Re: [regrep-cc-review] [Further Consideration] Re: [regrep-cc-review]Help with clarifying registry handling of CCTS


Diego Ballvé wrote:

>Joe, Paul,
>
>Nice to see action in this list. :)
>
>About the "abstract" Core Component, I agree on the need for that.
>But I suspect the idea is already covered by DataType - can we see
>it like that?? I will try to explain:
>
>Shifting the abstract to DataType, one would first create a
>DataType for TaxAmount (I'm not sure about DataType naming rules)
>and, with a RIMAssociation (I'm pushing a bit here), one would
>connect the ACC to the DataType - the RIMAssociation would be
>the BCC, similarly to ACC-ACC RIMAssociation representing ASCC.
>You can't reuse the BCC but you can reuse its DataType. That is
>already supported by CCTS.
>
>How does that sound?
>  
>
mm1: This sounds much more in line with how a data type restricts or 
bounds the CC. Perhaps this should be further discussed and we could, if 
reasonable, provide some feedback to CC team as there has been quite a 
bit of confusion around Data Types.

>Regards,
>Diego
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
>>Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:55 AM
>>To: MACIAS Paul; CCRev
>>Subject: [regrep-cc-review] [Further Consideration] Re:
>>[regrep-cc-review] Help with clarifying registry handling of CCTS
>>
>>
>>Since I wrote the reply below I've given further consideration to some
>>of the concepts in <Quote3> below. This is addressed to all 
>>subscribers
>>on this listserv, as I am continuing the development of our Technical
>>Note.
>>
>>Paul, this would not change any of my general responses to you, but is
>>rather a bit further down in the weeds.
>>
>>Here's the scenario:
>>
>>- A user registers a BCC whose Property Term is "Tax" and whose
>>associated Data Type is "Amount". 
>>
>>- Without being further associated with an ACC (i.e. without an Object
>>Class Term), the Dictionary Entry Name for this BCC would be "Tax.
>>Amount".
>>
>>- We would like to reuse this "Tax. Amount" BCC in multiple 
>>scenarios -
>>that is, we would like to associate it with multiple ACCs. 
>>Once this is
>>done, an Object Class Term would be added to its Dictionary 
>>Entry Name -
>>so for example, if it is associated with an ACC whose Object 
>>Class Term
>>is "Invoice", its Dictionary Entry Name would then be "Invoice. Tax.
>>Amount".
>>
>>So far, so good. Now here is the crux of the issue.
>>
>>If we associate "Tax. Amount" with the ACC described above, and assign
>>the BCC a unique identifier (and definition, etc.), then it cannot be
>>reused (i.e. it cannot be associated with another ACC because it is
>>already called "Invoice. Tax. Amount" and is associated with an ACC).
>>
>>What if we were to consider "Tax. Amount" a sort of 
>>"abstract" BCC (like
>>an abstract class) from which other BCCs are derived? Then we could
>>create Associations from "Tax. Amount" to multiple ACCs as 
>>needed - i.e.
>>one to the "Invoice. Details" ACC, one to the "Budget. Details" ACC,
>>etc. This would allow us to avoid registering multiple BCCs as
>>ExtrinsicObjects.
>>
>>We would then represent "concrete" (non-abstract) BCCs using
>>Associations between the "abstract" BCC (Tax. Amount) and the various
>>ACCs (Invoice. Details, Budget. Details). Most if not all of the BCC
>>attributes (Unique Identifier, Definition, etc.) would be 
>>represented as
>>Slots on the Association.
>>
>>The "abstract" Core Component would also have its own 
>>attributes (those
>>listed in the CCTS - Unique Identifier, Definition, Version, etc.).
>>
>>In terms of registration (assuming an empty registry), a user would
>>first need to register the abstract BCC and an ACC (in any order), and
>>then create the concrete BCC through an Association.
>>
>>Perhaps we could call the abstract BCC a "base BCC", and a 
>>concrete BCC
>>simply a BCC. We'll also need to consider if these concepts scale for
>>ACC-to-ACC associations, and - if so - if they make sense.
>>
>>Thoughts and comments are welcome and appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Joe
>>
>>Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Paul,
>>>
>>>Great questions - please see comments below:
>>>
>>><Quote1>
>>>Specifically if you have the CC "Invoice.Tax.Amount", that is one
>>>complete registered object.
>>></Quote1>
>>>
>>>That is correct - "Invoice.Tax.Amount" would be the Dictionary Entry
>>>Name of the Basic Core Component (BCC) that is registered as an
>>>ExtrinsicObject. Furthermore, the BCC would have a "Property Term"
>>>attribute whose value is "Tax", and its related Core Component Type
>>>(CCT) is "Amount. Type" (we can also say that it is of Data Type
>>>"Amount"). Finally, the BCC would be a property of 
>>>      
>>>
>>(contained within) an
>>    
>>
>>>ACC called "Invoice. Details", which would have an "Object Class"
>>>attribute whose value is "Invoice. Details". These attributes, along
>>>with the Data Type, comprise the Dictionary Entry Name. 
>>>      
>>>
>>Please note also
>>    
>>
>>>that if there were one or more Qualifer Terms they would also become
>>>part of the Dictionary Entry Name, but there are none in this case.
>>>
>>><Quote2>
>>>Correct me if I'm wrong, we don't discuss registering an "Invoice"
>>>object class identifier and a separate "Tax.Amount" term and then
>>>connect them through associations?
>>></Quote2>
>>>
>>>Please pardon some repetition from above. We would register an ACC
>>>called "Invoice. Details", and this ACC would have an Object Class
>>>attribute whose value is "Invoice". We would also register 
>>>      
>>>
>>a BCC called
>>    
>>
>>>"Tax. Amount" whose Property Term attribute is "Tax" and 
>>>      
>>>
>>which is based
>>    
>>
>>>on a Data Type of "Amount" (which is further associated 
>>>      
>>>
>>with a CCT of
>>    
>>
>>>"Amount. Type"), and there would be a registry Association 
>>>      
>>>
>>between the
>>    
>>
>>>ACC and BCC. The Dictionary Entry Name "Invoice. Tax. Amount" would
>>>result from the registry Association (i.e. without the 
>>>      
>>>
>>Association, the
>>    
>>
>>>Dictionary Entry Name could not be derived).
>>>
>>><Quote3>
>>>The latter was raised as an idea for developing a generic 
>>>      
>>>
>>version of the
>>    
>>
>>>Property Term/Representation Term that could be associated to
>>>many Object Classes.
>>></Quote3>
>>>
>>>Yes - that is exactly what we are intending to do in the 
>>>      
>>>
>>registry. The
>>    
>>
>>>question then becomes: should we retain a single Core 
>>>      
>>>
>>Component in the
>>    
>>
>>>registry called "Tax. Amount" for all ACCs with which it is 
>>>      
>>>
>>associated,
>>    
>>
>>>or have a separate "copy" in the registry for each case? In 
>>>      
>>>
>>other words,
>>    
>>
>>>suppose we have 2 ACCs: "Invoice. Details" and "Budget. Details". We
>>>also have a Core Component called "Tax. Amount". If we associate the
>>>Core Component with the "Invoice. Details" ACC, its Dictionary Entry
>>>Name would be "Invoice. Tax. Amount", while if we associate 
>>>      
>>>
>>it with the
>>    
>>
>>>"Budget. Details" ACC, its Dictionary Entry Name would be 
>>>      
>>>
>>"Budget. Tax.
>>    
>>
>>>Amount". The issue at this point is that there is only one 
>>>      
>>>
>>Dictionary
>>    
>>
>>>Entry Name attribute for the Core Component class (which 
>>>      
>>>
>>there should
>>    
>>
>>>be).
>>>
>>>With the first approach (retain a single copy), we would 
>>>      
>>>
>>need to move
>>    
>>
>>>the Dictionary Entry Name to be an attribute of the Association that
>>>connects the Core Component and ACC; this would allow us to 
>>>      
>>>
>>retain one
>>    
>>
>>>instance in the registry of the "Tax. Amount" Core Component but
>>>associate it with many ACCs. The problem with this approach is that
>>>since the Core Component class also has a "Unique 
>>>      
>>>
>>Identifier" attribute,
>>    
>>
>>>we would be assigning a Unique Identifier to something that really
>>>represents multiple Core Components (i.e. "Invoice. Tax. 
>>>      
>>>
>>Amount" and.
>>    
>>
>>>"Budget. Tax. Amount"). This of course violates the concept of
>>>uniqueness.
>>>
>>>With the second approach (separate copy), we would retain in the
>>>registry separate ExtrinsicObjects (i.e. a separate Core Component
>>>instances) for "Invoice. Tax. Amount" and "Budget. Tax. 
>>>      
>>>
>>Amount". This
>>    
>>
>>>would allow them to have separate Unique Identifiers, separate
>>>Definitions (which they should have), etc. So if a user attempts to
>>>"assign" an existing Core Component (i.e. a Core Component that is
>>>already assigned to one ACC) to a new ACC, they should be prompted
>>>through the user interface to enter a new Definition (and other
>>>attributes), and a new Unique Identifier should be generated.
>>>
>>>Hope that helps,
>>>Joe
>>>
>>>"MACIAS, Paul" wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I need a reminder on how we (ebXML Reg/Rep) are planning 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>to recommend capturing Core Components in the technical note. 
>> The Department of Navy is developing an update to their 
>>design rules, which draw from CCTS. I'm feeding them the 
>>practical aspects of what to expect from the CCTS technical 
>>note based on the CC subteam discussions. Unfortunately, one 
>>DON member raised a question that I think I know the answer 
>>to, but I couldn't rule out definitively.
>>    
>>
>>>>I believe we were capturing the terms of a Core Component 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>as a single registered item. Specifically if you have the CC 
>>"Invoice.Tax.Amount", that is one complete registered object. 
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, we don't discuss registering an 
>>"Invoice" object class identifier and a separate "Tax.Amount" 
>>term and then connect them through associations? The latter 
>>was raised as an idea for developing a generic version of the 
>>Property Term/Representation Term that could be associated to 
>>many Object Classes.  The flexibility of the registry 
>>specification may allow this, but since it's not the way I 
>>see the CCTS expecting them to be registered I didn't think 
>>it was a method we looked at.  Am I correct?
>>    
>>
>>>>NOTE:  I am not endorsing or encouraging any change in 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>the direction of the CCTS technical note at this time.  Joe 
>>and others put in a lot of work to get the rules nailed down 
>>and I don't want to change coarse now.  I just want to 
>>clarify the approach going into the technical note.
>>    
>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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