Re: Question on CCTs vs Data Types

["Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>]

Alan,

Please feel free to remove the CC Review address when you reply (since
you're not a listserv member, you're getting that error).

Regarding the attached file: It appears to "span" 2 entities in the
CCTS: Data Type and CCT. By that, I mean it specifies that "Country.
Identifier. Type" (doesn't matter for the purposes of this question
whether it is a Code or Identifier type) is a Data Type, yet it provides
the metadata (Identification Scheme. Identifier, etc.) for a CCT (i.e.
the attributes listed are those of a Supplementary Component, which is
associated with a CCT). How can this be possible, given Figure 7-1 in
the CCTS?

Thanks in advance for your help,
Joe Chiusano and the Core Components Review SC

Alan.Stitzer@marsh.com wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> 
> I get this email bounced back to me:
> regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org
> 
> as taken from the TBG17 initial dictionary, this is what Country_
> Identifier. Type looks like:
> 
> (Embedded image moved to file: pic23038.pcx)
> 
> ajs
> 
> <<< Memo from chiusano_joseph@bah.com@Internet on 01 December, 2003, 12:21
> Monday >>>
> 
> chiusano_joseph@bah.com@Internet on 1 Dec 2003, 12:21 Monday
> 
> To:    Alan Stitzer
> cc:    blantz; regrep-cc-review
> Subject:    Re: Question on CCTs vs Data Types
> 
> Thanks Alan. I would like to take your answer a step further, if it's
> ok:
> 
> Since "Country_Code" is a Data Type, it has the following CCTS
> requirement:
> 
> [S29] Stored Data Types shall have a Core Component Type as their basis.
> 
> Given that, we would have the following CCT requirement:
> 
> [S19] Core Component Types are a particular category of Core Components.
> As such, stored Core Component Types shall include all Attributes of
> stored Core Components.
> 
> Given that, we would have the following "Store Component Components"
> requirement (explanations are snipped):
> 
> [S1] Core Components are a particular category of Registry Classes. As
> such, all stored Core Components shall include the following Attributes:
> 
> ? Unique Identifier (mandatory)
> ? Version (mandatory)
> ? Dictionary Entry Name (mandatory)
> ? Definition (mandatory)
> ? Usage Rule (optional, repetitive)
> 
> What would the value for the "Dictonary Entry Name" attribute be for the
> corresponding CCT? Would it be "Code. Type"? If so, how can one specify
> the "Supplementary Component" attributes for the "Country_Code" Data
> Type (code list ID, agency, etc.) if they are tied to a single CCT
> called "Code. Type"?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> Joe Chiusano and the Core Components Review SC
> 
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> > >Is an entity named "Country_Code" a CCT or a Data Type? I interpret it
> > >as a CCT.
> >
> > Without getting into a debate that has raged on and on and on and
> > on....that would be a data type, however, we believe that it is an
> > identifier rather than a code.
> >
> > TBG17 has a defined data type called Country_ Identifier -- which
> restricts
> > the CCT identifier to the "correct" country (aarrgghh) code list.
> >
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> > <<< Memo from chiusano_joseph@bah.com@Internet on 01 December, 2003,
> 11:51
> > Monday >>>
> >
> > chiusano_joseph@bah.com@Internet on 1 Dec 2003, 11:51 Monday
> >
> > To:    Alan Stitzer; blantz
> > cc:    regrep-cc-review
> > Subject:    Question on CCTs vs Data Types
> >
> > Mary Kay and Alan,
> >
> > We (the OASIS/ebXML Registry Core Components Review SC) have a question
> > on CCTs vs Data Types that we hope you can answer for us, as I don't
> > believe the answer is clear from the CCTS (or I have misinterpreted the
> > CCTS):
> >
> > Is an entity named "Country_Code" a CCT or a Data Type? I interpret it
> > as a CCT.
> >
> > More details:
> >
> > - According to Gunther's CCT document (XML representations), I believe
> > that Country_Code would be considered a CCT.
> >
> > - The issue underlying the question is that the CCTS lists multiple
> > Supplementary Component attributes (code list ID, agency, etc.) which -
> > I believe - would need to be tied to a specific code list (such as
> > "Country_Code") rather than a generic CCT called "Code. Type".
> >
> > - I'm sure how/why we would register a generic CCT called "Code. Type" -
> > i.e. what values would the attributes (code list ID, agency, etc.) have?
> >
> > - So a more "specific" Country_Code - e.g. European_Country_Code - would
> > be a Data Type (not a CCT), which restricts the CCT called
> > "Country_Code" to inlcude only those codes from European countries.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help,
> > Joe Chiusano and the Core Components Review SC
> > (See attached file: Chiusano_Joseph.vcf)
> >
> > To:    Alan Stitzer/NYC-NY/US/Marsh/MMC@MMC,
> blantz@attglobal.net@Internet
> > cc:    regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org@Internet
> > From:  chiusano_joseph@bah.com@Internet
> (See attached file: Chiusano_Joseph.vcf)
> 
> To:    Alan Stitzer/NYC-NY/US/Marsh/MMC@MMC
> cc:    blantz@attglobal.net@Internet,
>        regrep-cc-review@lists.oasis-open.org@Internet
> From:  chiusano_joseph@bah.com@Internet
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