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Subject: Re: Proposal for supporting Service and ServiceBinding



Farrukh,

I agree with your scenario on using UDDI and OASIS/ebXML Registry in a
complimentary manner. This will be very beneficial to the industry.

Regarding Organization, I don't believe it overlaps with UDDI. Organization
in OASIS/ebXML Registry represents a submitting or responsible organization
for a repository item. It does not represent a business entity.

Regards,  Dan

Metadata Management Technology and Standard
IBM DBTI for e-Business
Notes:     Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
Internet:  dtchang@us.ibm.com
VM:          IBMUSM50(DTCHANG)
Phone:    (408)-463-2319


                                                                                                         
                    Farrukh Najmi                                                                        
                    <Farrukh.Najmi       To:     Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS                        
                    @Sun.COM>            cc:     Farrukh Najmi <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>, Lisa Carnahan    
                                          <lisa.carnahan@nist.gov>, "'regrep-raws@lists.oasis-open.org'" 
                    09/05/01 09:39        <regrep-raws@lists.oasis-open.org>, Scott                      
                    AM                    Hinkelman/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, "Patil, Sanjay" <SPatil@iona.com>  
                                         Subject:     Re: Proposal for supporting Service and            
                                          ServiceBinding                                                 
                                                                                                         
                                                                                                         
                                                                                                         




Dan,

Thanks to both you and Scott for your thoughts and concerns. I agree that
ebXML Registry should
not try and be a global business registry. I believe that is not the intent
of Sanjay's proposal.

I believe Sanjay's proposal is bringing UDDI and ebXML closer together and
providing a mapping
between UDDI
information model and ebXML. While the global nature of UDDI could be used
to publish minimal
metadata for an
Organization, Service, ServiceBinding it could be mapped and routed to an
ebXML Registry where
more detailed metadata
could be provided (including user defined metadata as Slots and including
arbitrary
relationships). Finally the binding could
be linked to an ExtrinsicObject that is proxying an actual specification in
the ebXML Registry's
repository.

Does the above scenario not use both registries in a complimentary manner?

Let us discuss the issue in the next RAWS sub-team meeting. I have not
heard from you on your
time preference. So far tomorrow 2-3pm seems best for folks. I want to
emphasize that we are not
going to do anything in haste here and will operate as a team to sort
through the issues.

As far as Organization goes, we have had Organization in RIM since the
earliest versions
and it is fairly important to our model.

Lastly, I would be very interested in contributing to the success of any
sincere efforts to
bringing UDDI and ebXML Registry closer
in a meaningful manner. But until that happens, I feel we should not be
ignoring the needs of
users of ebXML Registry and sitting by the sidelines waiting.

Dan Chang wrote:

> Farrukh,
>
> I agree with what Scott said in his note. I believe OASIS/ebXML Registry
> should NOT be a business registry, duplicating the functionality of UDDI,
> for reasons that Scott has pointed out. The industry does not need two
> overlapping specifications.
>
> If Sanjay's proposal is intended to facilitate the interoperability and
> integration of OASOS/ebXML Registry with UDDI, that will be very fine.
For
> example, UDDI manages business definitions, business service interfaces
and
> technical bindings, but it does NOT manage any corresponding
specification
> documents. If Sanjay's proposal deals with these specification documents
> but NOT business definitions, business service interfaces or technical
> bindings, that will be very fine.
>
> Regards,  Dan
>
> Metadata Management Technology and Standard
> IBM DBTI for e-Business
> Notes:     Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
> Internet:  dtchang@us.ibm.com
> VM:          IBMUSM50(DTCHANG)
> Phone:    (408)-463-2319
>
>
>                     Farrukh Najmi
>                     <Farrukh.Najmi       To:     Dan Chang/Santa
Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
>                     @Sun.COM>            cc:     "Patil, Sanjay"
<SPatil@iona.com>, Scott
>                                           Hinkelman/Austin/IBM@IBMUS,
>                     09/04/01 04:43
"'regrep-raws@lists.oasis-open.org'"
>                     PM
<regrep-raws@lists.oasis-open.org>, Lisa Carnahan
>                                           <lisa.carnahan@nist.gov>
>                                          Subject:     Re: Proposal for
supporting Service and
>                                           ServiceBinding
>
>
>
>
> Dan,
>
> This work item was sanctioned early on when we discussed work items for
> V2.0. We had discussed earlier in a
> RAWS meeting that we will include this item in the RAWS team as it is
> related to web services.
>
> I do not believe that our progress should be hindered by what is going on
> in UDDI. The UDDI team is
> constantly making changes in each release that duplicates ebXMl
> functionality. I cannot even discuss
> specific instances as it is private to the UDDI AG. On the other hand
every
> thing in this TC is open for
> duplication.
>
> I feel that there is a string need for us to support the capabilities
> outlined by Sanjay and they fit well
> with focus on web services in this team. Please, lets focus on the merits
> of the proposal instead.
>
> Dan Chang wrote:
>
> > Sanjay,
> >
> > I am concerned that in doing so we will explicitly overlap and repeat
> what
> > has been done in UDDI. I believe we ought to first resolve the issue on
> > positioning OASIS/ebXML Registry with UDDI, as suggested by Scott.
> >
> > Regards,  Dan
> >
> > Metadata Management Technology and Standard
> > IBM DBTI for e-Business
> > Notes:     Dan Chang/Santa Teresa/IBM@IBMUS
> > Internet:  dtchang@us.ibm.com
> > VM:          IBMUSM50(DTCHANG)
> > Phone:    (408)-463-2319
> >
> >
> >                     "Patil,
> >                     Sanjay"              To:
> "'regrep-raws@lists.oasis-open.org'"
> >                     <SPatil@iona.c
> <regrep-raws@lists.oasis-open.org>
> >                     om>                  cc:
> >                                          Subject:     Proposal for
> supporting Service and ServiceBinding
> >                     09/04/01 03:05
> >                     PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is a proposal for supporting Service and ServiceBinding objects
> > as first class object in the RIM.
> >  <<SupportServiceAndServiceBinding.doc>>
> >
> > In order to be readily useful, a registry needs to have inherent
support
> > for
> > the commonly used business documents. Business Service interface and
the
> > technical binding of these Business Service interfaces seem to be
falling
> > in
> > such a category.
> >
> >            1.        Providing inherent support for common business
> > documents.
> >            2.        Functionally complete in comparison with other
> > Registry
> > Standards
> >
> > Please review the proposal and let us start discussing it over the mail
> > list.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Sanjay Patil
> >
>
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>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > IONA
> > Total Business Integration (TM)
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> >
> > (See attached file: SupportServiceAndServiceBinding.doc)
> >
> >
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> >    SupportServiceAndServiceBinding.doc    Type: WINWORD File
> (application/msword)
> >                                       Encoding: BASE64
>
> --
> Regards,
> Farrukh
>
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Dan
> Chang
>
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Regards,
Farrukh




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