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Subject: Re: [regrep] [Fwd: [xml-dev] Extract A Subset of a W3C XML Schema?]


<Quote1>
For a whole variety of reasons, XForms is pretty much wholly inadequate,
</Quote1>

Not disagreeing, but curious - would you be willing to elaborate on this
"variety of reasons"?

<Quote2>
which is pretty much why none of the significant eForms vendors are
supporting it.
</Quote2>

Another reason may be that it is not yet a W3C Recommendation (it just
became a Proposed Rec last week).

Joe

Peter Kacandes wrote:
> 
> For a whole variety of reasons, XForms is pretty much wholly inadequate,
> which is pretty much why none of the significant eForms vendors are
> supporting it.
> 
> However, there will be data interoperability for the form data schemas.
> 
> cheers
> 
> pk
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Peter Kacandes
> Cc: regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: Re: [regrep] [Fwd: [xml-dev] Extract A Subset of a W3C XML
> Schema?]
> 
> <Quote1>
> For a designer looking to automate a form they are confronted with the
> need to find appropriate XML to which to bind the form fields.
> </Quote1>
> 
> XForms 1.0 - when it becomes a W3C Recommendation - will be ideal for
> this.
> 
> <Quote2>
> For a large organization with many forms it is likely that there will be
> many elements that are common to some forms.
> </Quote2>
> 
> Yes - and when we've completed our Technical Note on the registration of
> elements/attributes/datatypes/namespace identifiers, it will be a
> wonderful step toward this goal.
> 
> Joe
> 
> Peter Kacandes wrote:
> >
> > An XML fragment could be anything from a single element name up to a
> > complete schema for a particular form.
> >
> > For a designer looking to automate a form they are confronted with the
> need
> > to find appropriate XML to which to bind the form fields.
> >
> > For a large organization with many forms it is likely that there will be
> > many elements that are common to some forms.
> >
> > If the form designer could use existing fragments for the common elements
> of
> > a particular form they are working on, then they would only have to
> develop
> > new fragments for the pieces of their form that are unique.
> >
> > hth
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > pk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 1:08 PM
> > To: Peter Kacandes
> > Cc: regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> > Subject: Re: [regrep] [Fwd: [xml-dev] Extract A Subset of a W3C XML
> > Schema?]
> >
> > <Quote>
> > When designing a PDF/XML form, the designer would search the registry
> > for various fragments
> > </Quote>
> >
> > Please define a "fragment" in terms of both XML and an electronic form.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > Peter Kacandes wrote:
> > >
> > > This type of thing was a core aspect of the demo that we did for the
> gov't
> > > folks.
> > >
> > > When designing a PDF/XML form, the designer would search the registry
> for
> > > various fragments that might be applicable to the particular form they
> are
> > > designing.
> > >
> > > These fragments would then be downloaded to the local machine where the
> > > designer would import them into the tool where they would then be bound
> to
> > > particular form fields.
> > >
> > > Of course, it would be way cooler if the registry could be searched
> > directly
> > > from the tool, but I'm working on that.
> > >
> > > For a concrete example, let's say the gov't designed a fragments for and
> > > organization name and DUNS numbers with an associated web service that
> > would
> > > go out and get the DUNS number for a name when it was typed into the
> name
> > > field.
> > >
> > > There are many gov't forms across different agencies that might use the
> > DUNS
> > > fragment and web service. A designer who has been tasked with automating
> a
> > > particular form could go through and search the registry for any
> fragments
> > > that match fields on the particular form they are automating.
> > >
> > > hth
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > pk
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Duane Nickull [mailto:duane@yellowdragonsoft.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 10:17 AM
> > > To: Matthew MacKenzie
> > > Cc: Farrukh Najmi; Chiusano Joseph; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org
> > > Subject: Re: [regrep] [Fwd: [xml-dev] Extract A Subset of a W3C XML
> > > Schema?]
> > >
> > > Matthew MacKenzie wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think registry already has the capability to do this sort of thing.
> > > > Must we place every use case in the specification?  Maybe a best
> > > > practice doc is needed.
> > >
> > > This use case has been noted in the eGovernments TC's Government
> > > Registry Requirements document, although it has not been sussed out in
> > > great detail.  I can send copies of it (early draft) to anyone who
> wants.
> > >
> > > Duane
> > >
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