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Subject: RE: [regrep] UK Government Registry Requirements

Peter et al,
I am aware of the UDDI bit in the eGIF. I think the problem is that (a) this was put in some time back because people wanted something and has not been questioned since; and (b) few here understand the ebXML regrep. I hope I can do something about the second of these as I have a fair bit of influence here. But I need to understand it myself first, and the specs are very big ...
The eGIF is reviewed every six months, and standards must be "well supported in the marketplace" before they can adopted. The contact is John Borras (also chair of the OASIS eGov and E&VS TCs). Email John.Borras@e-Envoy.gsi.gov.uk.
I had not spotted the bit about differing address standards, but yes, it is a problem and well-known and regretted here. We have a standard (BS7666). At the risk of getting David Webber excited, the problem with international address standards is that they are so general with so many options that they are pretty useless even if we can express our addresses using them. As David says, people are trying to address (sorry!) this, but I am worried if the Royal Mail is the only UK organization involved. They are only interested in getting mail from A to B (which they do extremely badly, but that is a personal gripe), which is just one of many uses of an address.
I see John and the other people with an interest in these areas frequently. I am happy to raise issues with them.
Paul Spencer
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Kacandes [mailto:pkacande@adobe.com]
Sent: 15 January 2004 01:20
To: Paul Spencer; regrep
Subject: RE: [regrep] UK Government Registry Requirements

Hi All,

I've just been reading a most disturing section of a draft document called the UK e-GIF (e Government Interoperability Framework):

"2.5    Departments which are connected to the GSI are to use the GSI Notice 1/2003 Information GSI Directory Schema, except for WEB based transactions over SOAP when UDDI is to be used

2.6     When Web services are used they shall to be based on SOAP, UDDI and WSDL specifications."

I think we as a TC need to make sure that ebXML Registry gets equal billing with UDDI for these purposes.

Paul, is there anyway you can put us in touch with appropriate contacts to make sure that this gets modified in the next draft of this document?

Especially given that other parts of the document talk about the importance of meta-data content management:
"Content management metadata
2.19    The technical policies for content management metadata cover:

The adoption and development of the e-GMS, based on the International Dublin Core model, to meet government's information management and retrieval needs

The e-GMS is a 'superset' of metadata elements and refinements, and it is unlikely that any single system will require all of them. Organisations are therefore encouraged to develop sector and system-specific standards, removing elements that are not required, and adding local constraints

2.20    The development and maintenance of the GCL (Government Category List)."

Also in section 2.39 it says:
"For example, ebXML uses the international address standard whereas the UK has its own address standard."
I'd like to understand what they mean by that.

The full document can be found at:



-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Spencer [
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:29 AM
To: regrep
Subject: [regrep] UK Government Registry Requirements

I hope people remember the discussions we had last year about this. We got
as far as agreeing to put together a document based on the requirements of
the UK MOD and wider requirements that others could contribute.

Sorry about the delay (I have been tied up with the Election Markup
Language), but I have now done a first draft of those parts of the document
that I said that I would do. It is at

The next stage is to add wider requirements and come up with a
standards-based architecture to achieve these requirements. My goal is to
create an architecture using OASIS standards that can be used to allow these
registries to interact, not only within government, but also, for example,
with a UBL repository. Although I am talking about the registry (which will
obviously use ebXML standards since we are discussing it here) I believe
there is a lot we need to decide in terms of how the registry is used and
the client applications required. However, it is essential within Government
not to specify specific applications to be used.

My hope is that people will read this document (it is a PDF, but I am happy
to do other formats on request) and we can discuss it at the telecon on


Paul Spencer
Boynings Consulting Ltd

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