Calling Carl Mattocks - status on SCM...

["David Webber \(XML\)" <david@drrw.info>]

John,

I thought that might be the next question - and
Carl Mattocks is the right person to answer
that for us!

Carl - over to you....

Thanks, DW

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Gillerman" <john.gillerman@sisconet.com>
To: "'David Webber (XML)'" <david@drrw.info>; "'Duane Nickull'"
<dnickull@adobe.com>; "'BEDINI Ivan RD-BIZZ-CAE'"
<ivan.bedini@francetelecom.com>
Cc: "'Chiusano Joseph'" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>;
<regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>; "'Farrukh Najmi'" <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>;
"'Breininger, Kathryn R'" <kathryn.r.breininger@boeing.com>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: [regrep] Standards approval process


> OK, what is the SCM's status and next moves?
>
> Regards,
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> John Gillerman
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:56 PM
> > To: john.gillerman@sisconet.com; 'Duane Nickull'; 'BEDINI
> > Ivan RD-BIZZ-CAE'
> > Cc: 'Chiusano Joseph'; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org; 'Farrukh
> > Najmi'; 'Breininger, Kathryn R'
> > Subject: Re: [regrep] Standards approval process
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I believe the RegRep SCM SC is working more in that area.
> >
> > DW
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Gillerman" <john.gillerman@sisconet.com>
> > To: "'Duane Nickull'" <dnickull@adobe.com>; "'BEDINI Ivan
> > RD-BIZZ-CAE'"
> > <ivan.bedini@francetelecom.com>
> > Cc: "'Chiusano Joseph'" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>;
> > <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>; "'Farrukh Najmi'"
> > <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>; "'Breininger, Kathryn R'"
> > <kathryn.r.breininger@boeing.com>; "'David Webber (XML)'"
> > <david@drrw.info>
> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:12 PM
> > Subject: RE: [regrep] Standards approval process
> >
> >
> > > Duane,
> > >
> > > Am I confused or are we were looking at RDF/OWL to
> > serialize this sort of
> > > stuff?  Isn't RDF/OWL more appropriate than XMI here?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > John Gillerman
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> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@adobe.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:53 AM
> > > > To: BEDINI Ivan RD-BIZZ-CAE
> > > > Cc: Chiusano Joseph; regrep@lists.oasis-open.org; Farrukh
> > > > Najmi; Breininger, Kathryn R; David Webber (XML)
> > > > Subject: Re: [regrep] Standards approval process
> > > >
> > > > Ivan:
> > > >
> > > > The document is not complete and there are problems that
> > > > UN/CEFACT has clearly not addressed yet.  For that reason, I
> > > > am stopping work on this document.
> > > >
> > > > joseph is correct  - the serialization is far more important
> > > > than the storage.  Please get off this whole idea of how to
> > > > map to the RIM until it is understood what the serialization
> > > > will be.  There is a dependency on this and until this is
> > > > solved, you and everyone else working on the storage are
> > > > probably not spending your time well.
> > > >
> > > > Some partial answers inline:
> > > >
> > > > BEDINI Ivan RD-BIZZ-CAE wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >how to represent an ABIE for example.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > XML Schema can represent this.  There are things that XML
> > > > Schema cannot do and those will be limitations.
> > > >
> > > > >an ABIE normally is an aggregate of more simplest basic
> > > > components and
> > > > >less simplest associations to others aggregate objects.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Associations may be represented in the registry but in a
> > > > serialization, they can be expressed again using XML Schema
> > > > (or XMI perhaps).
> > > >
> > > > >to define an ABIE you need to define its structure too
> > and I can't
> > > > >understand how we can define that in the property element of the
> > > > >serialisation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Again - XML schema and XMI are the best tools we have.
> > > >
> > > > >there, all elements are only sequentially put in the XML
> > > > document and
> > > > >so doing we lose :
> > > > >- the structure of a CC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Not true.  It is still referencable via the UUID.
> > > >
> > > > >- all associations between CCs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Not true - you can query the registry.
> > > >
> > > > >- XML potentialities to automate structure and semantic
> > > > controls of the
> > > > >data submission.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > We actually wrote such an engine to help build documents out
> > > > of CC's with context declarations.  It is not a trivial
> > thing to do.
> > > >
> > > > There is a lot of work that needs to be done.
> > > >
> > > > Duane Nickull
> > > >
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