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Subject: RE: [regrep] Should IBM being working with us on this?

Errrr.  I think this is likely to drive folks away not bring them in here!?
  : -(
Remember - what your kids told you - "Dad - you may not always be right, but you are never wrong...."
So folks don't need reminded of that.  Frankly I could agree with IBM on this one - its NOT about the spec'.
Always put yourself in your customers shoes - and ask - why are they not using my product already?
Here are some inklings of what IBM wants:
1) Highly extensible GUI with support for AJAX et al
   - ok - this is work in progress for us with REST and
   - "Any way, 2 minutes with Eclipse and the JBoss-IDE and I have auto-genenerated EJB3 (JPA) entity and SLSB facades from the existing omar 3 database schema.  How cool is that!"
2) Easy deployment model
   - so you are re-writing OMAR to get there...
   - current installation and setup is a bear - definately not SME friendly
3) Built-in WSDL plug-n-play
    - OK you have to buy the Sun release for that - not something IBM wants to hear...
4) Simplier classification and management UI
    - this is really linked to 1) - so content management is much more intuitive - something like the TortoiseCVS interface on the client side would be scary good...
5) Linkage to Eclipse IDE so it aligns with the mainstream core toolset

"The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [regrep] Should IBM being working with us on this?
From: "Farrukh S. Najmi" <farrukh@wellfleetsoftware.com>
Date: Mon, April 30, 2007 1:26 pm
To: "David RR Webber (XML)" <david@drrw.info>
Cc: regrep@lists.oasis-open.org

My response to the blog may be found here:


David RR Webber (XML) wrote:
> FYI.  But the recent developments the past week on rr-dev on using
> OMAR with simpler GUI tools - maybe what IBM needs here? Sometimes a
> simple breakthrough can make all the difference in adoption...
> I would suggest some dialogue could be critical - especially given
> IBMs commit to regrep for IHE/XDS - aligning on the one secure
> registry base would be a power play for them...
> DW
> IBM Calls for New SOA Registry Standard
> Joe McKendrick, ZDNet Blog
> IBM spokespeople are saying that the UDDI standard for registries isn't
> cutting it, and the "time is now" for a new registry standard more
> focused on today's SOA realities. In the meantime, IBM will be offering
> a proprietary solution. In a new report in ITWeek, IBM managers state
> that SOAs have stretched the Universal Description, Discovery and
> Integration (UDDI) web services standard to the limit, and that it's
> time for a new standard. 
> Burton Group's Anne Thomas Manes had just
> issued a report that IBM's WebSphere Service Registry and Repository
> (WSRR) 6.0.1 doesn't fully support UDDI, the commonly accepted standard
> behind SOA registries. IBM, however, says that UDDI was originally
> designed for Web services, which invoke point-to-point connections
> across the network. (In fact, it was designed to be the "Yellow Pages"
> of the e-business world.)
> But what enterprises need now is a registry
> standard that addresses the building-block, enterprise approach of SOA,
> Big Blue says. SOAs require different information about services than
> do Web services, IBM claimed. According to Sunil Murthy, a manager for
> WebSphere Service Registry and Repository at IBM's Software Group, UDDI
> will not allow for role-based access to services, does not let
> manage a service's life cycle to enable governance, and does not allow
> for services to be searched. The IBM representatives quoted in the
> article could not predict what a new registry standard would or should
> look like, but said vendors should take their time in sorting things
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/service-oriented/?p=864
> See also Burton:
> http://searchwebservices.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid26_gci1252107,00.html
> "The way to be is to do" - Confucius (551-472 B.C.)


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