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Subject: Draft minutes of 2008-05-13 are attached


Title: SCA-Assy - 2008-05-13

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SCA-Assembly TC
Teleconference

13 MAY 2008

Attendees

Present
fred carter, (AmberPoint)
Mark Combellack, (Avaya, Inc.)
Dale Moberg, (Axway Software*)
David DiFranco, (BEA Systems, Inc.)
Jim Marino, (BEA Systems, Inc.)
Michael Rowley, (BEA Systems, Inc.)
Jacques Durand, (Fujitsu Limited*)
Tom Rutt, (Fujitsu Limited*)
Robert Freund, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Eisaku Nishiyama, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Eric Wells, (Hitachi, Ltd.)
Bryan Aupperle, (IBM)
Michael Beisiegel, (IBM)
David Booz, (IBM)
Graham Charters, (IBM)
Mike Edwards, (IBM)
Mike Kaiser, (IBM)
Dieter Koenig, (IBM)
Simon Nash, (IBM)
Jeff Estefan, (Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*)
Martin Chapman, (Oracle Corporation)
Khanderao Kand, (Oracle Corporation)
Anish Karmarkar, (Oracle Corporation)
Rich Levinson, (Oracle Corporation)
Ashok Malhotra, (Oracle Corporation)
Ron Barack, (SAP AG*)
Sanjay Patil, (SAP AG*)
Peter Walker, (Sun Microsystems)
Sabin Ielceanu, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Scott Vorthmann, (TIBCO Software Inc.)
Chairs
Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards
Scribe
Bob Freund
Agenda:
1. Opening
Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC meeting of 6th May
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/28249/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-05-06.html
3. Action Items:
2008-04-01-1: Dave Booz to write up the OSGI approach to artifact resolution (Issue 8)
2008-04-28-1: Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-05-06-1: Booz/Karmarkar to write up a more detailed proposal for Assembly-37
2008-05-06-2: Nash to diddle some scdl wrt Assembly-37
4. New Issues
None
5. Existing Issues
ASSEMBLY-16 Component URI is not well described
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-16
Proposal contained in these emails:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200802/msg00111.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00003.html
ASSEMBLY-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-8
The proposal is discussed in these emails:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200802/msg00092.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200802/msg00102.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00058.html
ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37
Proposal is contained in the JIRA
ASSEMBLY-44 Allow multiple definitions.xml files
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-44
Proposal is contained in the JIRA
ASSEMBLY-41 Conflicting domain-level <wire> deployments
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-41
Proposal is contained in the JIRA
ASSEMBLY-33 Long-Running Request-Response Operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33
The proposal is contained in this email:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200802/msg00109.html
7. AOB

Contents

Topics
[1]  Opening
[2]  Action Items
[3]  Existing Issues
[4]  Assembly-16
[5]  Assembly-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified
[6]  ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37
[7]  ASSEMBLY-44 Allow multiple definitions.xml files http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-44
[8]  ASSEMBLY-41 Conflicting domain-level <wire> deployments http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-41
[9]  AOB
Table of Resolutions
Table of Action Items

Action Items

Old:
2008-04-01-1: id=2008-04-01-1 status=pending Dave Booz to write up the OSGI approach to artifact resolution (Issue 8)
2008-04-28-1: id=2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
2008-05-06-1: id=2008-05-06-1 status=pending Booz/Karmarkar to write up a more detailed proposal for Assembly-37
2008-05-06-2: id=2008-05-06-2 status=done Nash to diddle some scdl wrt Assembly-37
New:
2008-05-13-1: Sanjay/Nash to prepare a counter proposal for assembly-37
2008-05-13-2: Rowley to develop refined text for the Assembly-44 proposal contained in the JIRA.

Resolutions


Minutes

Scribe: Bob Freund

Opening

 
Roll - quorate with 22 of 33 voting members and four observers
 
Agenda - agreed
Resolution: minutes of 2008-05-06 approved w/o

Action Items

Action: id=2008-04-01-1 status=pending Dave Booz to write up the OSGI approach to artifact resolution (Issue 8)
 
It was noted that Dave has an outstanding action item to write up something for issue 16
Action: id=2008-04-28-1 status=pending Editors to address the editorial comments contained in Combellack's comments at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200804/msg00089.html
Action: id=2008-05-06-1 status=pending Booz/Karmarkar to write up a more detailed proposal for Assembly-37
Action: id=2008-05-06-2 status=done Nash to diddle some scdl wrt Assembly-37

Existing Issues

Assembly-16

 
Pending AI

Assembly-8 SCDL artifact resolution underspecified

 
Pending AI

ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37

<Mike Edwards>
 
Nash summarizes his proposal
<Mike Edwards>
Anish wrote a later response email here:
<Mike Edwards>
 
A frank exchange of contrasting views ensues
<anish>
i think we should allow them, but ignore them. Properties are a slightly different matter
<anish>
the difference between composite service/references and composite properties is that property values do flow downwards whereas service/reference config flows only up
<Sanjay>
think a simpler model would be to provide visibility to service/references of deployed composites only.
<anish>
sanjay, visibility to whom?
<Sanjay>
domain level
<anish>
so if something is visible at the domain-level, is that for other components at the domain-level or outside the domain?
<anish>
i don't see a problem with what simon just read
<Sanjay>
I really don't understand why you need to create a wrapper composite for deploying a composite
anish simon, what is the line number again?
<Mike Edwards>
951 in WD03
<anish>
Composites may form component implementations in higher-level composites in other words the higher-level composites can have components that are implemented by composites. For more detail on the use of composites as component implementations see the section Using Composites as Component Implementations.
The content of a composite may be used within another composite through inclusion. When a composite is included by another composite, all of its contents are made available for use within the including composite the contents are fully visible and can be referenced by other elements within the including composite. For more detail on the inclusion of one composite into another see the section Using Composites through Inclusion.
Martin C sometimes does make sense
<anish>
we made a decision some time back that things that go on at a higher-level (because of promotion) does not affect anything at the lower-level (for services and references)
Action: Sanjay/Nash to prepare a counter proposal for assembly-37
 
reconfirming the action 2008-05-06-1 meaning that Booz/Karmarkar will develop some words on what he would change in the spec relative to Assembly-37

ASSEMBLY-44 Allow multiple definitions.xml files http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-44

<Mike Edwards>
There is a proposal in the JIRA
 
Rowley discusses his proposal contained in the JIRA
<anish>
i'm not sure what i'm agreeing with either, would like some time to digest this
<anish>
how do i figure out where (which contribution) a particular Qname is defined
<anish>
so that i can do an update
<anish>
do i have to go through all the contributions and go thru each definitions.xml of each contribution?
<Mike Edwards>
All of these artifacts within an SCA Domain are defined in SCA contributions in files called META-INF/definitions.xml (relative to the contribution base URI). Although the definitions are specified within a single SCA contribution, the definitions are visible throughout the domain. Because of this, all of the QNames for these definitions MUST be unique within the domain.
<Mike Edwards>
....those are the words in the JIRA
<anish>
i would like to think about the consequences of this a little more
Motion: m:Rowley s:Patil Assembly-44 resolved with the proposal contained in the JIRA entry
Amendment: m:Karmarkar s:Malhotra Accept the proposal in JIRA but leave the issue open in JIRA
 
Motion to call the question on the amendment
<Sanjay>
point of order - chair should have first taken a vote for 'calling the question'
 
Amendment fails
Motion: Postpone consideration m:karmarkar s:Chapman
Resolution: Motion to postpone consideration Assembly-44 resolution w/o
Action: Rowley to develop refined text for the Assembly-44 proposal contained in the JIRA.
 
Conclusion of the AI by Rowley is that the offending sentence is described in the issue description in JIRA and that the proposal contained in JIRA is intended to replace that sentence

ASSEMBLY-41 Conflicting domain-level <wire> deployments http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-41

 
Rowley describes his proposal which is contained in JIRA
<Bryan Aupperle>
This brings up some of the same audit related concerns we talked about on another issue last week.
 
Further consideration postponed due to press of time.
<Bryan Aupperle>
We may need to allow a given domain to prohibit overrides.

AOB

 
straggler roll
 
Adjourned

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