Draft Minutes of 2008-11-18 are attached

[Bob Freund <bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com>]

Title: SCA-Assy - 2008-11-18

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SCA-Assembly TC
Teleconference

18 NOV 2008

Attendees

Present

fred carter	AmberPoint	Group Member
Mark Combellack	Avaya, Inc.	Group Member
Dale Moberg	Axway Software*	Group Member
Jacques Durand	Fujitsu Limited*	Group Member
Tom Rutt	Fujitsu Limited*	Group Member
Robert Freund	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Bryan Aupperle	IBM	Group Member
Michael Beisiegel	IBM	Group Member
David Booz	IBM	Group Member
Graham Charters	IBM	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Dieter Koenig	IBM	Group Member
Jim Marino	Individual	Group Member
Peter Furniss	Iris Financial Solutions Ltd.	Group Member
Jeff Estefan	Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*	Group Member
Martin Chapman	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Khanderao Kand	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Ashok Malhotra	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Sanjay Patil	SAP AG*	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Peter Walker	Sun Microsystems	Group Member
Sabin Ielceanu	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Scott Vorthmann	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

Mike Edwards
Martin Chapman

Scribe

Bob Freund

Agenda:

1. Opening

Introductions
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Assembly TC meeting of 4th November
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/30074/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202008-11-04.html

3. Action Items:

id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness
id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Editors to re-consider the application of the resolution to assembly-57
id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail

id=2008-10-30-1 status=DONE Vorthmann to examine the specification and create text that implements the directional resolution to Assembly-37
id=2008-10-30-3 status=pending Karmaker to develop concrete text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-36
id=2008-10-30-4 status=pending Editors to fix pseudoschemas a/r to be consistent with the resolution that resolves Assembly-32
id=2008-10-30-5 status=pending Vorthman to create a proposal relative to potential solution for issue 5
id=2008-10-30-6 status=pending Koenig do the detailed work to implement the resolution to Assembly-60
id=2008-10-30-8 status=pending Freund to draft a conformance statement

4. TC Administrivia

Consider status of call on November 25th due to US Thanksgiving

5. Conformance & Test

Consider approach to testing and test artifacts.

6. New Issues

None

7. Existing Issues

ASSEMBLY-33: Long-Running Request-Response Operations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33

Latest proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00013.html

ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37

Latest proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00024.html

ASSEMBLY-88: Possible duplicate functionality offered by constrainingType and component
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-88

Latest proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00027.html

ASSEMBLY-89: Need for a Callback annotation for WSDL interface files
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-89

ASSEMBLY-90: Clarify @promote in the context of composite includes
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-90


ASSEMBLY-34: Define error handling
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-34

ASSEMBLY-46: Dynamic Aspects of the Domain not adequately described in the Assembly Specification
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-46

ASSEMBLY-5: component type allows to specify wire targets on references
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-5

ASSEMBLY-86: Abstract CRUD APIs for definitions infoset
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-86

ASSEMBLY-87: A single definitions infoset is not sufficient
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-87

ASSEMBLY-80: Create an Event Processing Model for SCA
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-80

ASSEMBLY-2: use of UML 2.0
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-2

ASSEMBLY-86: Abstract CRUD APIs for definitions infoset
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-86

ASSEMBLY-87: A single definitions infoset is not sufficient
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-87

ASSEMBLY-91: Details needed for sca:ConversationViolation
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-91

7. Issue Status
17 Open Issues
x opened
x resolved
8. AOB

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Contents

Topics

[1]  Opening

[2]  Action Items

[3]  Administrivia

[4]  Active Issues

[5]  ASSEMBLY-33: Long-Running Request-Response Operations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33

[6]  ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37

[7]  ASSEMBLY-88: Possible duplicate functionality offered by constrainingType and component http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-88

[8]  AOB

Table of Resolutions

Table of Action Items

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Action Items

Done:

id=2008-10-30-1 status=done Vorthmann to examine the specification and create text that implements the directional resolution to Assembly-37

id=2008-10-30-3 status=done Karmaker to develop concrete text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-36

id=2008-10-30-8 status=done Freund to draft a conformance statement

Pending:

id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness

id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Edwards to produce text that re-considers the application of the resolution to assembly-57

id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail

id=2008-10-30-4 status=pending Editors to fix pseudoschemas a/r to be consistent with the resolution that resolves Assembly-32

id=2008-10-30-5 status=pending Vorthman to create a proposal relative to potential solution for issue 5

id=2008-10-30-6 status=pending Karmarkar do the detailed work to implement the resolution to Assembly-60

New:

id=2008-11-18-1 status=pending Edwards to coordinate and socialize this directional decision to the resolution of Assembly-33 with the affected TCs

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Resolutions

• 2008-11-18-1: Minutes of 2008-11-04 approved w/o
• 2008-11-18-2: Set the direction for the resolution of Assembly-33 with the test on the first page of Proposal_mje.doc file located at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00028.html modified by removing the Java example w/o
• 2008-11-18-3: m:Vorthmann s:Sabin Set the direction for the resolution of Assembly-37 with the proposal contained in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00024.html w/o

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Minutes

Scribe: Bob Freund

Opening

Roll - quorate with 18 of 25 voting members present

Agenda - agreed

Will defer Conformance and test after conclusion of proposals

Resolution: Minutes of 2008-11-04 approved w/o

Action Items

Action: id=2008-06-03-6 status=pending Test sub cttee produce test assertions and test artifacts and test harness

Action: id=2008-08-26-2 status=pending Edwards to produce text that re-considers the application of the resolution to assembly-57

Action: id=2008-09-16-1 status=pending owner="Editors" Add text to justify no operator overloading as described in DaveB's E-mail

Action: id=2008-10-30-1 status=done Vorthmann to examine the specification and create text that implements the directional resolution to Assembly-37

Action: id=2008-10-30-3 status=done Karmaker to develop concrete text consistent with the directional resolution to Assembly-36

Action: id=2008-10-30-4 status=pending Editors to fix pseudoschemas a/r to be consistent with the resolution that resolves Assembly-32

Action: id=2008-10-30-5 status=pending Vorthman to create a proposal relative to potential solution for issue 5

Action: id=2008-10-30-6 status=pending Karmarkar do the detailed work to implement the resolution to Assembly-60

Action: id=2008-10-30-8 status=done Freund to draft a conformance statement

Administrivia

Next Tuesday's call will proceed as planned despite Thanksgiving

Active Issues

ASSEMBLY-33: Long-Running Request-Response Operations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-33

proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00013.html

Edwards and Koenig discuss the proposal

Koenig:

proposal includes the proposal document as well as the background information

Booz:

I prefer to remove the Java material since the Java TC has not agreed to it

Edwards discussed his proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00028.html

Motion: m:Koenig s:Khanderao Resolve Assembly-33 with the test on the first page of Proposal_mje.doc file located at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00028.html modified by removing the Java example

Chapman:

I am not easy with resolving this since it does not demonstrate, for example, that java and BPEL would interoperate

Chapman and Edwards - perhaps it ought to be circulated to the language and bindings groups and determined to not be problematical before we adopt it.

<anish>

dave, what would the c&i do, if the intent is present on the service but not on the reference?

<anish>

at the binding level, it is slightly easier because you would look at both ends

<anish>

for the c&i this is a little tricky

<Dave Booz>

Anish, I'm not sure this affects the C&I of a service

Amendment: m:Chapman s: Aupperle s/Resolve/ Set a direction for

<anish>

i didn't mean the service, i did mean the client

<anish>

the scenario is:

Amendment passes w/o

<anish>

there is no intent on the reference side but one on the service side

<anish>

what interfaces would be generated on the client side

<Scott Vorthmann>

I suspect the client just does what it does... the presence or absence of the intents helps the assembler know that the wire won't work

<anish>

if the metadata on teh service side is not examined

<anish>

i guess my point is that: to do the "right thing" on the client side, you would have to look at both ends

<anish>

unless we mandate that the intent be present on the reference

Resolution: Set the direction for the resolution of Assembly-33 with the test on the first page of Proposal_mje.doc file located at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00028.html modified by removing the Java example w/o

Action: Edwards to coordinate and socialize this directional decision to the resolution of Assembly-33 with the affected TCs

ASSEMBLY-37 Need to clarify contents of an SCA Domain virtual composite http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-37

proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00024.html

Vorthmann discusses his proposal

Resolution: m:Vorthmann s:Sabin Set the direction for the resolution of Assembly-37 with the proposal contained in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00024.html w/o

ASSEMBLY-88: Possible duplicate functionality offered by constrainingType and component http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-88

proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/200811/msg00027.html

Chapman assumes chair

Edwards discusses his proposal

further action defered due to press of time

AOB

straggler roll

[End of Minutes]
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