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Subject: Raw chat log 26th august 2009
- <room name="sca-assembly-TC" time="1251233703850" dateTime="2009-08-25T16:55:03.850-05:00"> <comment time="1251298665281" dateTime="2009-08-26T10:57:45.281-05:00" type="c1" who="Scott">gilbert, looks like the call is not for another hour</comment> <comment time="1251298669607" dateTime="2009-08-26T10:57:49.607-05:00" type="c1" who="Scott">12ET</comment> <comment time="1251298686832" dateTime="2009-08-26T10:58:06.832-05:00" type="c1" who="gilbert.pilz">I know</comment> <comment time="1251298703506" dateTime="2009-08-26T10:58:23.506-05:00" type="c1" who="gilbert.pilz">my pidgin client just keeps me logged in</comment> <comment time="1251301865122" dateTime="2009-08-26T11:51:05.122-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">i stopped using pidgin for these room becasue of that</comment> <comment time="1251301912340" dateTime="2009-08-26T11:51:52.340-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">1. Intro, Roll Call, Scribe, Agenda Bashing 2. Approval of Minutes 19 August 2009 http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200908/msg00138.html 3. Meeting/Call schedule See options in last weeks minutes. 4. Work planning 5. AOB</comment> <comment time="1251301935674" dateTime="2009-08-26T11:52:15.674-05:00" type="c1" who="jeff.mischkinsky">i used adium x and it does the same thing - which i actually like</comment> <comment time="1251301937707" dateTime="2009-08-26T11:52:17.707-05:00" type="c1" who="jeff.mischkinsky">go figure</comment> <comment time="1251302221194" dateTime="2009-08-26T11:57:01.194-05:00" type="a3" who="">anonymous morphed into Dale Moberg</comment> <comment time="1251302331573" dateTime="2009-08-26T11:58:51.573-05:00" type="c1" who="Rich Levinson">Has call started? If so, is same # as last week?</comment> <comment time="1251302346865" dateTime="2009-08-26T11:59:06.865-05:00" type="c1" who="Dave Booz">assembly numbers</comment> <comment time="1251302351852" dateTime="2009-08-26T11:59:11.852-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">same # as usual tues call</comment> <comment time="1251302363159" dateTime="2009-08-26T11:59:23.159-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">USA 866-203-1705 PARTICIPANT PASSCODE: 338256</comment> <comment time="1251302371300" dateTime="2009-08-26T11:59:31.300-05:00" type="c1" who="Scott">running off for headset, 60 seconds</comment> <comment time="1251302435773" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:00:35.773-05:00" type="c1" who="Scott">back now</comment> <comment time="1251302470072" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:01:10.072-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">scribe: Ashok</comment> <comment time="1251302504422" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:01:44.422-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Sabin has requested LOA ... approved</comment> <comment time="1251302518292" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:01:58.292-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Roll call</comment> <comment time="1251302521837" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:02:01.837-05:00" type="a3" who="">anonymous1 morphed into anish</comment> <comment time="1251302664622" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:04:24.622-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Martin: 16 ouf ouf 24 ... quorate!</comment> <comment time="1251302687014" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:04:47.014-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Topic: Agenda bashing</comment> <comment time="1251302703288" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:05:03.288-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Logistics</comment> <comment time="1251302704149" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:05:04.149-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Scott</comment> <comment time="1251302712371" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:05:12.371-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">How to get work started</comment> <comment time="1251302740301" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:05:40.301-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: -empty-</comment> <comment time="1251302741853" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:05:41.853-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Scott: You are assuming we are having an ongoing series of calls.</comment> <comment time="1251302752288" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:05:52.288-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... did not think that was decided \</comment> <comment time="1251302775001" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:06:15.001-05:00" type="c1" who="anish">http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=25010</comment> <comment time="1251302812344" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:06:52.344-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">2. Approval of Minutes 19 August 2009 http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200908/msg00138.html</comment> <comment time="1251302846924" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:07:26.924-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Minutes approved w/o objection</comment> <comment time="1251302867574" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:07:47.574-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Topic: Meeting/Call schedule</comment> <comment time="1251302898598" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:08:18.598-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: anish</comment> <comment time="1251302927139" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:08:47.139-05:00" type="a3" who="">anonymous morphed into EricW</comment> <comment time="1251302935652" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:08:55.652-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Martin: We decided eventing would not go into 1.1 but we would continue working on eventing in parallel</comment> <comment time="1251302951344" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:09:11.344-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Anish: We have several option on how to proceed</comment> <comment time="1251302967648" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:09:27.648-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: anish, Scott</comment> <comment time="1251303012953" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:10:12.953-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">1. Create subcommittee ... different time/day for call. Would not affect voting</comment> <comment time="1251303040352" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:10:40.352-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">2. Extend the Tuesday call and dedicate some time to eventing</comment> <comment time="1251303061332" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:11:01.332-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">3. as above discuss eventing first instead of last</comment> <comment time="1251303099848" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:11:39.848-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">4. Two separate sessions ... Tue/Wed same meeting</comment> <comment time="1251303135960" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:12:15.960-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">5. Two separate meetings each with its own voting</comment> <comment time="1251303138964" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:12:18.964-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Scott</comment> <comment time="1251303156359" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:12:36.359-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Scott: Two other options</comment> <comment time="1251303187934" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:13:07.934-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">1. We could postpone work on eventing</comment> <comment time="1251303218248" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:13:38.248-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">2. Some variant of Anish's option 4 or 5</comment> <comment time="1251303244896" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:14:04.896-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... we believe eventing very impt. Question of resources.</comment> <comment time="1251303263854" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:14:23.854-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Scott, Martin C</comment> <comment time="1251303278535" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:14:38.535-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Scott, Martin C, EricW</comment> <comment time="1251303292335" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:14:52.335-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... don't like subcommittee option</comment> <comment time="1251303299916" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:14:59.916-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Scott, Martin C, EricW, anish</comment> <comment time="1251303309269" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:15:09.269-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Martin C, EricW, anish</comment> <comment time="1251303312614" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:15:12.614-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... supports option 4 from Anish</comment> <comment time="1251303318222" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:15:18.222-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: EricW, anish</comment> <comment time="1251303356297" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:15:56.297-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: EricW, anish, Martin C</comment> <comment time="1251303423113" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:17:03.113-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Eric: Supports Scott ... not a question of good standing rules ... need to accommodate folks who cannot attend weekly calls</comment> <comment time="1251303466745" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:17:46.745-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... we could form a subcommittee and make a rule making it hard for TC to overturn subcommittee decisions</comment> <comment time="1251303489528" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:18:09.528-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: anish, Martin C</comment> <comment time="1251303525680" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:18:45.680-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Anish: Appreciate the point about resource constraints</comment> <comment time="1251303527843" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:18:47.843-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: anish, Martin C, Bryan Aupperle</comment> <comment time="1251303565618" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:19:25.618-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... different points of view wrt how to deal with eventing</comment> <comment time="1251303663098" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:21:03.098-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Martin C, Bryan Aupperle</comment> <comment time="1251303666873" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:21:06.873-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... we have to put in more time and resources if we want eventing to get out quickly</comment> <comment time="1251303689305" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:21:29.305-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Martin: Takes off chair hat</comment> <comment time="1251303715133" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:21:55.133-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Martin: Eventing will take some time to get ready to fold into main spec</comment> <comment time="1251303747840" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:22:27.840-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... need comments from people on the current spec. Then we have to reconcile comments and pov's</comment> <comment time="1251303751956" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:22:31.956-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Martin C, Bryan Aupperle, Scott</comment> <comment time="1251303770672" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:22:50.672-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Bryan Aupperle, Scott</comment> <comment time="1251303827374" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:23:47.374-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Bryan: We have a set of people prepared to start on eventing and we have some that are not ready to start now</comment> <comment time="1251303861723" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:24:21.723-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Scott</comment> <comment time="1251303866901" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:24:26.901-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... if we could get a list of concerns the folks who are ready to work can start looking at them.</comment> <comment time="1251303894250" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:24:54.250-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Scott: That's fair ... we can start putting together our concerns</comment> <comment time="1251303982367" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:26:22.367-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... requests that we don not settle on a series of weekly calls ... perhaps a call every 2 weeks</comment> <comment time="1251304002446" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:26:42.446-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Anish: Would it be easier if we extended the Tuesday call?</comment> <comment time="1251304016326" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:26:56.326-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Scott: Not really</comment> <comment time="1251304039259" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:27:19.259-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... we are all overcommitted</comment> <comment time="1251304075591" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:27:55.591-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Martin: maybe we could start out every 2 weeks</comment> <comment time="1251304093617" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:28:13.617-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: -empty-</comment> <comment time="1251304107347" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:28:27.347-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Sanjay: I like every 2 weeks</comment> <comment time="1251304207481" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:30:07.481-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Martin: Any objection to a call every 2 weeks for 1 hour?</comment> <comment time="1251304276269" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:31:16.269-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Dave Booz</comment> <comment time="1251304293845" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:31:33.845-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: -empty-</comment> <comment time="1251304295747" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:31:35.747-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Ashok: Let's have a single call with 2 sessions</comment> <comment time="1251304310919" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:31:50.919-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Dave: Agrees</comment> <comment time="1251304323668" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:32:03.668-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">No objections</comment> <comment time="1251304345319" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:32:25.319-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Scott: Lets start the week after</comment> <comment time="1251304380079" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:33:00.079-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Martin: People should send mail re concerns issues.</comment> <comment time="1251304390173" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:33:10.173-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">... same time in 2 weeks</comment> <comment time="1251304421038" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:33:41.038-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Bryan: The testing subcommittee could use the other weeks</comment> <comment time="1251304426065" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:33:46.065-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Mike Kaiser</comment> <comment time="1251304501423" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:35:01.423-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Martin: OK. So same time in 2 weeks ... So week of Sept 7 we will have a call on Tuesday at 8 Pacific and Wed at 9 Pacific</comment> <comment time="1251304529974" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:35:29.974-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">MikeKaiser: Reminds us that is the week after Labor Day</comment> <comment time="1251304534951" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:35:34.951-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: -empty-</comment> <comment time="1251304585304" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:36:25.304-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: anish</comment> <comment time="1251304594667" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:36:34.667-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Topic: How to Get Started</comment> <comment time="1251304611051" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:36:51.051-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Martin: People shd go and think about issues</comment> <comment time="1251304660071" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:37:40.071-05:00" type="c1" who="Dave Booz">+1 for a new JIRA component, but I'll defer to issues editor</comment> <comment time="1251304671237" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:37:51.237-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Anish: Asks about issue 80 ... create a new component and resolve issue 80</comment> <comment time="1251304692057" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:38:12.057-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: anish, Scott</comment> <comment time="1251304708070" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:38:28.070-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: Scott</comment> <comment time="1251304760095" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:39:20.095-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Scott: How abt Assembly 1.2 component</comment> <comment time="1251304772102" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:39:32.102-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Anish: We can also create versions</comment> <comment time="1251304812801" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:40:12.801-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">ACTION: Martin, Mike and Scott to figure out JIRA strategy</comment> <comment time="1251304814794" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:40:14.794-05:00" type="a8" who="">Q: -empty-</comment> <comment time="1251304900267" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:41:40.267-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Sanjay: Could we have a presentation on what problems the eventing submission is trying to solve?</comment> <comment time="1251304980873" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:43:00.873-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Martin: That's a reasonable request</comment> <comment time="1251305030784" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:43:50.784-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Anish: I will send a ptr to my presentation. It covers the problems to solve and also what's in the submission</comment> <comment time="1251305134063" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:45:34.063-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Straggler Roll</comment> <comment time="1251305146010" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:45:46.010-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">Jeff</comment> <comment time="1251305157216" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:45:57.216-05:00" type="c1" who="Ashok">COB</comment> <comment time="1251305189032" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:46:29.032-05:00" type="c1" who="anish">sanjay, here is the pointer to the presentation: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/32653/SCA-EventingProcessing.pdf</comment> <comment time="1251305279081" dateTime="2009-08-26T12:47:59.081-05:00" type="c1" who="Martin C">roll: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=25010&day=1251280800</comment> </room>
Scott: gilbert, looks like the call is not for another hour Scott: 12ET gilbert.pilz: I know gilbert.pilz: my pidgin client just keeps me logged in Martin C: i stopped using pidgin for these room becasue of that Martin C: 1. Intro, Roll Call, Scribe, Agenda Bashing 2. Approval of Minutes 19 August 2009 http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200908/msg00138.html 3. Meeting/Call schedule See options in last weeks minutes. 4. Work planning 5. AOB jeff.mischkinsky: i used adium x and it does the same thing - which i actually like jeff.mischkinsky: go figure Rich Levinson: Has call started? If so, is same # as last week? Dave Booz: assembly numbers Martin C: same # as usual tues call Martin C: USA 866-203-1705 PARTICIPANT PASSCODE: 338256 Scott: running off for headset, 60 seconds Scott: back now Ashok: scribe: Ashok Ashok: Sabin has requested LOA ... approved Ashok: Roll call Ashok: Martin: 16 ouf ouf 24 ... quorate! Ashok: Topic: Agenda bashing Ashok: Logistics Ashok: How to get work started Ashok: Scott: You are assuming we are having an ongoing series of calls. Ashok: ... did not think that was decided \ anish: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=25010 Ashok: 2. Approval of Minutes 19 August 2009 http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/200908/msg00138.html Ashok: Minutes approved w/o objection Ashok: Topic: Meeting/Call schedule Ashok: Martin: We decided eventing would not go into 1.1 but we would continue working on eventing in parallel Ashok: Anish: We have several option on how to proceed Ashok: 1. Create subcommittee ... different time/day for call. Would not affect voting Ashok: 2. Extend the Tuesday call and dedicate some time to eventing Ashok: 3. as above discuss eventing first instead of last Ashok: 4. Two separate sessions ... Tue/Wed same meeting Ashok: 5. Two separate meetings each with its own voting Ashok: Scott: Two other options Ashok: 1. We could postpone work on eventing Ashok: 2. Some variant of Anish's option 4 or 5 Ashok: ... we believe eventing very impt. Question of resources. Ashok: ... don't like subcommittee option Ashok: ... supports option 4 from Anish Ashok: Eric: Supports Scott ... not a question of good standing rules ... need to accommodate folks who cannot attend weekly calls Ashok: ... we could form a subcommittee and make a rule making it hard for TC to overturn subcommittee decisions Ashok: Anish: Appreciate the point about resource constraints Ashok: ... different points of view wrt how to deal with eventing Ashok: ... we have to put in more time and resources if we want eventing to get out quickly Ashok: Martin: Takes off chair hat Ashok: Martin: Eventing will take some time to get ready to fold into main spec Ashok: ... need comments from people on the current spec. Then we have to reconcile comments and pov's Ashok: Bryan: We have a set of people prepared to start on eventing and we have some that are not ready to start now Ashok: ... if we could get a list of concerns the folks who are ready to work can start looking at them. Ashok: Scott: That's fair ... we can start putting together our concerns Ashok: ... requests that we don not settle on a series of weekly calls ... perhaps a call every 2 weeks Ashok: Anish: Would it be easier if we extended the Tuesday call? Ashok: Scott: Not really Ashok: ... we are all overcommitted Ashok: Martin: maybe we could start out every 2 weeks Ashok: Sanjay: I like every 2 weeks Ashok: Martin: Any objection to a call every 2 weeks for 1 hour? Ashok: Ashok: Let's have a single call with 2 sessions Ashok: Dave: Agrees Ashok: No objections Ashok: Scott: Lets start the week after Ashok: Martin: People should send mail re concerns issues. Ashok: ... same time in 2 weeks Ashok: Bryan: The testing subcommittee could use the other weeks Ashok: Martin: OK. So same time in 2 weeks ... So week of Sept 7 we will have a call on Tuesday at 8 Pacific and Wed at 9 Pacific Ashok: MikeKaiser: Reminds us that is the week after Labor Day Ashok: Topic: How to Get Started Ashok: Martin: People shd go and think about issues Dave Booz: +1 for a new JIRA component, but I'll defer to issues editor Ashok: Anish: Asks about issue 80 ... create a new component and resolve issue 80 Ashok: Scott: How abt Assembly 1.2 component Ashok: Anish: We can also create versions Ashok: ACTION: Martin, Mike and Scott to figure out JIRA strategy Ashok: Sanjay: Could we have a presentation on what problems the eventing submission is trying to solve? Ashok: Martin: That's a reasonable request Ashok: Anish: I will send a ptr to my presentation. It covers the problems to solve and also what's in the submission Ashok: Straggler Roll Ashok: Jeff Ashok: COB anish: sanjay, here is the pointer to the presentation: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/32653/SCA-EventingProcessing.pdf Martin C: roll: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=25010&day=1251280800
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