Draft minutes of 2010-05-11 are attached

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Title: SCA-Assy - 2010-05-11

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OASIS SCA-Assembly TC

11 MAY 2010

Attendees

Present

Mark Combellack	Avaya, Inc.	Group Member
Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Bryan Aupperle	IBM	Group Member
David Booz	IBM	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Simon Holdsworth	IBM	Group Member
Diane Jordan	IBM	Group Member
Dieter Koenig	IBM	Group Member
Peter Niblett	IBM	Group Member
Martin Chapman	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Ashok Malhotra	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Jeff Mischkinsky	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Aninda Sengupta	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Sanjay Patil	SAP AG*	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Sabin Ielceanu	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Eric Johnson	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Scott Vorthmann	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards

Scribe

Eric Wells

Agenda:

1. Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/37629/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202010-05-04.html

3. Action Items

id=2010-03-02-3 status=pending owner="MikeE" Improve test Suite SPI to address other issues raised by JimM

4. TC Administrivia

a) SCA Assembly V1.1 second public review of 15 days:
ended on 4th March 2010

One public review comment received:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201003/msg00027.html
Response resolved at TC meeting on 4th May:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/37629/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202010-05-04.html#d1e217

Response message outstanding - action against TC Chairs.

5. New Issues




6. 1.1 Test Suite Open Issues

ASSEMBLY-206: Test 5032 and 5034 uses runtime-specific URIs
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-206

Proposal and discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00015.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00017.html


7. 1.2 Specification Open Issues

ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227

Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00045.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00021.html

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Contents

Topics

[1]  Opening

[2]  Action Items

[3]  Administrivia

[4]  New Issues

[5]  1.1 Test Suite Open Issues

[6]  1.2 Specification Open Issues

ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227

[7]  AOB

Table of Resolutions

Table of Action Items

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Action Items

Pending:

id=2010-03-02-3 status=pending owner="MikeE" Improve test Suite SPI to address other issues raised by JimM

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Resolutions

• 2010-05-11-1: Minutes of 2010-05-04 accepted w/o
• 2010-05-11-2: Resolve ASSEMBLY-206 with proposal in E-mail referenced in Minutes w/o

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Minutes

Scribe: Eric Wells

Opening

Roll call - 14/23 61% Quorate - Not sufficient for New issues (2/3)

Agenda - Accepted without change

Minutes of 2010-05-04

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/37629/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202010-05-04.html

No objections no discussion

Resolution: Minutes of 2010-05-04 accepted w/o

Action Items

Action: id=2010-03-02-3 status=pending owner="MikeE" Improve test Suite SPI to address other issues raised by JimM

MikeE:

Not had time to complete this.

Administrivia

a) SCA Assembly V1.1 second public review of 15 days:
ended on 4th March 2010

One public review comment received:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201003/msg00027.html
Response resolved at TC meeting on 4th May:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/37629/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202010-05-04.html#d1e217

Response message outstanding - action against TC Chairs.

Sanjay:

We didn't accept the new documents as part of the resolution

MikeE:

Correct - only for comments & discussion

 

...the itent is to get first version before formal approval then can raise issues

 

...Currently just send comment to E-mail list

New Issues

None.

(Added JeffM, AshokM & MartinC to roll)

1.1 Test Suite Open Issues

ASSEMBLY-206: Test 5032 and 5034 uses runtime-specific URIs
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-206

Proposal and discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00015.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00017.html

MikeE:

Recaps issue & proposal

 

...change composite to add entity ref into URI and add DTD file in composite directory

EricJ:

Is "_" allowed in ref?

MikeE:

All checkers seem OK with this - no errors

MikeE:

The idea is to prevent need to change composite files but allow necessary URI changes

Motion: m=DaveB s=BryanA Resolve ASSEMBY-206 with proposal in E-mail referenced in Minutes

No discussion - no objections

Resolution: Resolve ASSEMBLY-206 with proposal in E-mail referenced in Minutes w/o

MikeE:

This is the last issue against the Test Suite so we can probably go to CD

(General discussion on "new behavior" regarding checking docs by OASIS staff)

1.2 Specification Open Issues

ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227

Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00045.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201005/msg00021.html

EricJ:

Can wire to a global domain channel - which is OK - but using a "target" is inconsistent with sense used with binding

 

...problem is that, when composed, a single composite can produce and consume on same channel and can't be decoupled

 

...also breaks composability model - either hides channels completely or exposes them globally

describes considerations / issues of using producers & consumers when used with channels

EricJ:

Also want to apply policy to channel not to individual producers & consumers

PeterN:

Use case where composite is producer & consumer of the same topic - seems a bit strange

 

...not sure about this use case or how it maps to artifacts

EricJ:

Write one compnent that listens then another that publishes...

 

...these then combined in a composite that assembler wants others to access

 

...could get problems if the original porducer/consumer sees messages from other sources

<Mike Edwards>

I take the view that composability requires that producers and consumers are treated as all independent

PeterN:

Private channel should be used for this

EricJ:

But then can't be seen by anything else as there's no promotion

 

...wanted to allow promotion on channels as it seems more natural

MikeE:

Source of messages is not under control of component writer - controlled by Assembler

MikeE:

What does a promoted channel look like and how would you do it in Java?

<Sanjay>

Can channel have any logic built into it? What does it mean to have a developer model for channel?

Detailed discussion of use case

PeterN:

Seems that concept of channel and component is getting confused

One minute gentlemen!

Time!

MikeE:

Please continue discussion on E-mail

AOB

Straggler role - SimonH

No other business

Meeting adjourned 9:03AM PDT

[End of Minutes]
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