Draft minutes from 2010-11-23 are attached

[Bob Freund <bob.freund@hitachisoftware.com>]

Title: SCA-Assy - 2010-11-23

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OASIS SCA-Assembly TC

23 NOV 2010

Attendees

Present

Robert Freund	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
David Booz	IBM	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Simon Holdsworth	IBM	Group Member
Peter Niblett	IBM	Group Member
Jeff Estefan	Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*	Group Member
Martin Chapman	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Andreas Egloff	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Ashok Malhotra	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Jonathan Maron	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Eric Johnson	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Danny van der Rijn	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards

Scribe

Bob Freund

Agenda:

1. Intro

Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/40287/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%20201.-1.-1..html

3. Action Items

id=201.-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
id=201.-1.-02-1.status=pending owner="JeffM" Draft response to MS asking for implementation experience with docs
id=201.-1.-02-1.status=pending owner="Edwards" Draft response to MS and Siemens asking for implementation experience
id=201.-1.-1.-1.status=pending Karmarker to develop proposal for the resolution of Assembly-251.
id=201.-1.-1.-2 status=pending owner="EricJ" reformulate statement of Assembly-249
id=201.-1.-1.-3 status=pending Karmarker to refine proposal for Assembly-238 with photographs with a paragraph on the back of each one with circles and arrows pointing to the scene of the crime

4. TC Administrivia



5. Open Issues (1.1.

ASSEMBLY-252: (v1.1.: SCA Runtime Conformance Language & Normative References
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-252

Proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201.1./msg00042.html


6. New Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-249: Need some notion of "callback" address in conjunction with eventing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-249

Restatement of the issue:
Does it make sense to include in the agenda an additional link to the
restatement of the issue:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201.1./msg00073.html

7.1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)


ASSEMBLY-235: Remotable interface compatibility should not be restricted to a WSDL1.1.mapping
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-235

Outline Proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201.1./msg00023.html


ASSEMBLY-238: (1.2): eventType element, EventType type declared twice in schema, eventType.xsd used but not defined
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-238

Proposal:

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/39973/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01.issue238v1.doc
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/39974/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01.issue238v1.pdf


ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239

Proposal in JIRA


ASSEMBLY-233: Define how Policy works for SCA Eventing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-233

No Proposal

ASSEMBLY-241. binding decl for producer/consumer are problematic
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-241.

Proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201.1./msg00085.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/40056/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01.issue241.1.doc
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/40057/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01.issue241.1.pdf


ASSEMBLY-243: Is the default channel configurable?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-243

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-244: How to enable extensibility to multiple bindings on a channel
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-244

Outline proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-245: Adopt the WS-RA Event Description specification to declare SCA Event Types
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-245

Proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-246: Provide Location within SCA Contributions for eventType Declarations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-246

Proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227

Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201.04/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01.issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01.issue-227.doc

Discussion from F2F:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/39643/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%20201.-09-22.html


ASSEMBLY-247: What are the requirements on an SCA Binding for eventing purposes?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-247

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-248: RFC21.9 wording and conformance statement need to be added for event processing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-248

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-250: Need an equivalent to "autowire" for the eventing world
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-250

Proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-251. [1.2] There is a need to restrict the Cardinality of connections to Channels
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-251.

No proposal


8. AOB

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Contents

Topics

[1]  Opening

[2]  Action Items

[3]  Open Isues

[4]  TC Administrivia

[5]  Open Issues against v1.1

[6]  New Issues against v1.2

[7]  ASSEMBLY-249: Need some notion of "callback" address in conjunction with eventing http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-249

[8]  AOB

Table of Resolutions

Table of Action Items

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Action Items

Done:

id=2010-11-16-2 status=done owner="EricJ" reformulate statement of Assembly-249

id=2010-11-16-3 status=done Karmarker to refine proposal for Assembly-238 with photographs with a paragraph on the back of each one with circles and arrows pointing to the scene of the crime

Pending:

id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

id=2010-11-02-1 status=pending owner="Edwards" Draft response to MS and Siemens asking for implementation experience

id=2010-11-16-1 status=pending Karmarker to develop proposal for the resolution of Assembly-251

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Resolutions

• 2010-11-23-1: Minutes of 2010-11-16 approved w/o

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Minutes

Scribe: Bob Freund

Opening

Roll - 13 out of 23 voting members present

Agenda - agreed

Resolution: Minutes of 2010-11-16 approved w/o

Action Items

Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

Action: id=2010-11-02-1 status=pending owner="Edwards" Draft response to MS and Siemens asking for implementation experience

Action: id=2010-11-16-1 status=pending Karmarker to develop proposal for the resolution of Assembly-251

Action: id=2010-11-16-2 status=done owner="EricJ" reformulate statement of Assembly-249

Action: id=2010-11-16-3 status=done Karmarker to refine proposal for Assembly-238 with photographs with a paragraph on the back of each one with circles and arrows pointing to the scene of the crime

Open Isues

TC Administrivia

<Dave Booz>

i will not be around on 21st

Meeting of 2010-12-28 is canceled

Open Issues against v1.1

Discussion on Assembly-252 is deferred

New Issues against v1.2

ASSEMBLY-249: Need some notion of "callback" address in conjunction with eventing http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-249

Johnson describes his re-formulation at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201011/msg00073.html

<Mike Edwards>

of course this buy/sell event stuff would be better handled by having 2 separate producers on the component "D"

<Ashok (Oracle)>

Why would you send buy/sell/hold orders using eventing? Seems very much point-to-point

<EricW>

+1 to Peter - this seems much more like asynch messaging than events

<Ashok (Oracle)>

+1 to Peter

<EricW>

It seems to me that the whole eventing model has become much more complicated with "non-event" features

<Ashok (Oracle)>

+1 to EricW --- I was going to get on the queue to make a similar remark

<EricW>

If we want hese features we should either revist what model we want for events or look at some other way of implementing (service & reference?)

<Mike Edwards>

"muddy discussions" - I like the idea ;-)

<Mike Edwards>

I beg to differ on the WSDL MEPs

<Mike Edwards>

I already emailed the list about the other MEPs

Motion: m:Johnson s:van der Rijn Open Assembly-249 as in the message http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201011/msg00073.html

motion fails 7:7

AOB

straggler roll

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