| Hi Eric,
Responding for Fabric3:
Fabric3 implements the normative sections of Assembly, Policy, and JMS.
We also believe supporting the normative sections of other relevant SCA specifications would require minimal effort.
I have purposely not said anything about the test suites as they are not normative. Instead, Fabric3 has concentrated efforts on normative portions of the specification, optional parts our users request, and proprietary value-added features that extend the specifications. In fact, our users are interested mostly in broad SCA support and value added capabilities such as clustering, XA transactions, and fail-over. No one has ever expressed a concern or desire to run the test suites.
That said, I think the test suites are a good, non-normative resource that vendors may choose to use in order to attain conformance.
Jim On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Mike Edwards wrote:
Folks,
Eric poses the question:
"Do Tuscany
and Fabric3 pass the assembly test suite?"
I will answer for Tuscany.
The answer is: "Yes"
I can also say that Tuscany passes the
other SCA test suites that are complete at this point, including
Policy, Web Services, Java (x2), JMS.
Yours, Mike
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Hi Jeff,
On 3/1/11 1:08 PM, Jeff Mischkinsky wrote:
> hi eric,
> You might be satisfied with one, but the charter requires 2.
Not the way I read it. I picked this language apart in a previous email.
We require two implementations of all normative portions. So long as the
conformance criteria don't include the test suite, and therefore it
isn't normative (during the call, Anish indicated he might raise an
issue), we don't have to meet the hurdle that two implementations pass
the test suite.
> Many of us would argue, based on many years of hard won experience,
> that one is not enough. Two is a bare minimum. My experience is every
> time you add a new implementation to the mix, you uncover some new
can
> of worms. Clearly there is a law of diminishing returns, i.e. the
> curve is a pretty steep (something approximating an inverse square
> law). After you get past 4 or 5, you are normally getting down to
> uncovering nits in the spec.
All makes sense. I agree that we need more than one implementation of
each normative detail, but that doesn't say anything about the test suite.
It would be wonderful if *someone* would take an action item to simply
report back on which normative statements are covered by the test suite,
and which aren't. And with the list of those that aren't, for the
implementations that profess to pass the test suite, do they also
profess to implement said normative statements not covered by the test
suite?
I'd be willing to chase down this question myself, except that the only
contacts I know working on the two projects I know to be public about
conformance (Tuscany & Fabric 3) happen to be in this TC or the bindings
TC. In other words, someone can probably figure this out much faster than
I.
Do Tuscany and Fabric3 pass the assembly test suite?
-Eric
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> We can argue and disagree all day about the correct number. Given
that
> the charter says at least 2, I think its moot. I don't hear anybody
> arguing that we should require more than 2 at this time.
> cheers,
> jeff
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> On Feb 25, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Eric Johnson wrote:
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>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> As I said, I think I would be satisfied with one implementation
that
>> passes the test suite. Then again, of the two announced
>> implementations I'm aware of, I don't know how close the non-Tuscany
>> one is to passing the test suite. If it passes already, then the
>> distinction between 0, 1, and 2 is mostly academic, isn't it?
>>
>> -Eric.
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