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Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference

01 MAR 2011

Attendees

Present

Robert Freund	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Bryan Aupperle	IBM	Group Member
David Booz	IBM	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Simon Holdsworth	IBM	Group Member
Diane Jordan	IBM	Group Member
Mike Kaiser	IBM	Group Member
Peter Niblett	IBM	Group Member
Jeff Estefan	Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*	Group Member
Martin Chapman	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Jeff Mischkinsky	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Gilbert Pilz	Oracle Corporation	Group Member
Sanjay Patil	SAP AG*	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Eric Johnson	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Danny van der Rijn	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Scott Vorthmann	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards

Scribe

Bob Freund

Agenda:

1. Intro

Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing

2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/41289/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-02-22.html

3. Action Items

id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra

4. TC Administrivia

None

5. Exit Criteria

The TC needs to adopt concrete exit criteria.

Discussion:
Lots of debate on the Assembly mailing list (too many emails to list !)

6. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239

Alternate proposals:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00039.html

intention is to complete the activities that were under debate and vote at the end of last week's meeting

6. New Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-257: Global domain channels creation inconsistent with pattern established by definitions.xml
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-257

ASSEMBLY-258: Section 11 of spec should be marked non-normative
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-258

ASSEMBLY-259: Some way to "late bind" references to global domain channels
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-259

7. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)

ASSEMBLY-253: Add Autocreation of Channels to SCA Assembly 1.2
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-253

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00056.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00055.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00054.html

ASSEMBLY-250: Need an equivalent to "autowire" for the eventing world
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-250

Proposal in JIRA
Follow on discussion from previous meeting

Latest discussion:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00041.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201101/msg00030.html

ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227

Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc

Latest discussions:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00023.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00022.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00021.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00020.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00019.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00017.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201012/msg00016.html

ASSEMBLY-235: Remotable interface compatibility should not be restricted to a WSDL 1.1 mapping
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-235

Latest discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00079.html
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201102/msg00078.html

ASSEMBLY-233: Define how Policy works for SCA Eventing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-233

No Proposal

ASSEMBLY-243: Is the default channel configurable?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-243

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-244: How to enable extensibility to multiple bindings on a channel
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-244

Outline proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-245: Adopt the WS-RA Event Description specification to declare SCA Event Types
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-245

Proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-246: Provide Location within SCA Contributions for eventType Declarations
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-246

Proposal in JIRA

ASSEMBLY-247: What are the requirements on an SCA Binding for eventing purposes?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-247

No proposal

ASSEMBLY-248: RFC2119 wording and conformance statement need to be added for event processing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-248

No proposal

8. AOB

Minutes

Scribe: Bob Freund

Opening

<gilbert.pilz>

Gil here

Roll - quorate with 14 of 18 voting members present

Agenda agreed

Resolution: Minutes of 2011-02-22 approved w/o

Mike Kaiser here.

Action Items

Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

Action: id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra

Administrivia

Request for public review of CD03 went in today and there is no response yet

Exit Criteria

Martin:

One facet is the status of the need to pass the test suite for conformance

Bob i was trying to say that the conformance section is a different issue so we don't need to talk about it unless someone raises an issue

Johnson: I cannot justify making the test suite a conformance criteria

...the suite is useful for validation and remarkably so, but it may not be the best and only criteria

...I would like to understand the coverage of the test suites and would not like to raise the bar so high that we cannot ever compete the spec.

Mischkinsky:

I think we are conflating three independent issues. conformance, testing, and exit criteria

...Conformance claims are in the spec are are a product thing. does the product conform or not to the spec

...test suites are for testing the spec. If something is not testable then it ought to be closely examined

...exit criteria (Blame Jeff) I had the w3c model in my head when I wrote them

...if there are not at least two implementations, then a combination of either lack of interest ot lack of testing then occurs

"The Concrete Exit Criteria for the SCA Assembly V1.1 specification are that:

o there shall be 2 independent SCA runtimes that are compliant with all normative portions of the
specification as described in Section 12.2 of the SCA Assembly V1.1 specification

o the 2 independent runtimes shall pass the Test Suite for SCA Assembly as described in the document
'TestCases for the SCA Assembly Model Version 1.1 Specification' "

this is from: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/201102/msg00081.html

Motion: m:Kaiser s:Aupperle Accept proposed criteria as-is in http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/email/archives/201102/msg00081.html

<EricW>

This is Exit Criteria - I.E. are we done working on the spec (barring errata) - not really related to conformance

The first statement is needed to encourage and legitimize the second statement

<EricW>

The first bullet provides evidence that the spec is implementable and hence consistent

<EricW>

The second bullet provides an "independant" means for others to check the first bullet

Bob:

exit criteria is when WE are done, not when an implementation is done

<EricW>

... but NOT the only means that such a check could be done

i dont think Jim offered any opinion on the 2nd point explicitly

<EricW>

Exactly Bob - that's what I was trying to get at

mike it sounds like optional items are just implemtation specific directions - not really normative statements

<EricW>

"Optionality" is not a big part of Assembly, but more important for other specs

<EricW>

As we're running out of time would it be appropriate to call the question?

Aupperle - calls the question

Danny objects feeling that there is fruitful debate yet to come

Time: 3 minutes

6 yes 4 no calling the question fails with less than 2/3

Time, gentlemen

AOB

straggler roll

Adjourned

roll is fixed, thanks Bob

roll is at: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=28497

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Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference

01 MAR 2011

Attendees

Present

Chairs

Scribe

Agenda:

Contents

Action Items

Resolutions

Minutes

Opening

Action Items

Administrivia

Exit Criteria

AOB

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