- DRAFT -

Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference

17 MAY 2011

Attendees

Present

Eric Wells	Hitachi, Ltd.	Group Member
Bryan Aupperle	IBM	Group Member
Mike Edwards	IBM	Group Member
Simon Holdsworth	IBM	Group Member
Diane Jordan	IBM	Group Member
Mike Kaiser	IBM	Group Member
Peter Niblett	IBM	Group Member
Jim Marino	Individual	Group Member
Jeff Estefan	Jet Propulsion Laboratory:*	Group Member
Martin Chapman	Oracle	Group Member
Anish Karmarkar	Oracle	Group Member
Rich Levinson	Oracle	Group Member
Ashok Malhotra	Oracle	Group Member
Jeff Mischkinsk	Oracle	Group Member
Gilbert Pilz	Oracle	Group Member
Plamen Pavlov	SAP AG*	Group Member
Eric Johnson	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member
Danny van der Rijn	TIBCO Software Inc.	Group Member

Chairs

Martin Chapman
Mike Edwards

Scribe

Eric Wells

Agenda:

Minutes

Scribe: Eric Wells

Opening

can you talk to us Eric ??

EricW:

Mike the telephone is on hold music

what # did you use Eric?

everyone else is already in the call

EricW:

USA 866-203-1705

EricW:

Sorry old number

old number - yes

888-426-6840

<anish>

USA Toll-Free 888-426-6840 Caller Paid 215-861-6239

3308084

Roll call 14/17 = 82% - Quorate

Approval of minutes for 2011-05 10

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/42134/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202011-05-10.pdf

No discussion, no objections

Resolution: Minutes of 2011-05-10 approved w/o

Action Items

Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227

Action: id=2011-01-04-2 status=pending Edwards to write a new proposal for the resolution of Assembly-246 along the lines contained in wsra

No changes to status

Administrivia

LOA request from EricW

MikeK:

Only 2 allowed per year

EricW:

Withdraws request

EricJ noted for roll

JimM noted for roll

Exit Criteria

MikeE:

Still need to determine Exit Criteria

No proposals - No discussion

Updated 1.1 Assembly Specification - consider for CSD & PR

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/42159/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-wd071.doc
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/42160/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-wd071.pdf

http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/42161/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-wd072.doc
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/42162/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-wd072.pdf

Proposed addition of reference to Assembly TestCases:
ASSEMBLY-262: Need to Provide Linkage between SCA Assembly spec and the Assembly Testcases
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-262

See:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/42192/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-wd073.pdf

MikeE:

Summarizes situation - ASSEMBLY-262 raised to add links

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-262

BryanA:

Noted there's no linkage to Test Suite in the spec

BryanA:

Java & Bindings TC have added section to spec to describe Test Suite and provide non-normative links

Discussion of issue

AnishK:

Speaks in favor

Motion: Open ASSEMBLY-262 m=BryanA s=Anishk

No discussion, no objections

Resolution: ASSEMBLY-262 opened w/o

Discussion of proposal

JeffM:

Important to note versions to which spec and Test Suite apply/reference

AnishK:

Can this be done via errata?

Errata only applies to non-normative text

MartinC:

Can "this version", "latest version" links be used?

latest version is the fixed url

MikeE:

Have more or less copied what other TC's have done

<jeff.mischkinsky>

reuse

<jeff.mischkinsky>

not stealing :-)

...Notes OASIS has specific rules about references to OASIS specs

JeffM:

This is a 2-way dependency - how is that going to work?

Discussion on how revs to spec & Test Suite work

MartinC:

Always problems with revising independent docs' - this works same way as code revs

...probably the best way to do this

AnishK:

Changes to Test Suite (bug fix) more frequent than spec - do these have to be full revs or errata?

JeffM:

Have to be revs - errata only allows very restrictive changes

AnishK:

In that case how do we handle actual errata?

<jeff.mischkinsky>

yes, he says with fingers crossed behind his back :-)

Discussion of how errata is handled and need to fold into spec

So Martin want to see this as a reference:

http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-assembly-1.1-testcases.pdf

MartinC:

Would like links to reference latest version rather than specific version

DannyV:

Do people have to always run latest version for compliance?

MartinC:

Any approved version of Test Suite can be used to claim conformance

DannyV argues against "latest version" links - wants specific version to avoid interoperabilty issues

MartinC:

Then we have to rev spec each time Test Suite is changed

Discussion of conformance claims in "real world" using different version of Test Suite

<jeff.mischkinsky>

move - resolve with proposal that is in jira (262) with the link being the latest

<jeff.mischkinsky>

the "latest URL"

Motion: Resolve ASSEMBLY-262 with proposal in JIRA modified to use "latest version" URLs (as in chat room) m=JeffM s=BryanA

<anish>

latest URL -- http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-assembly/sca-assembly-1.1-testcases.pdf

No further discussion, no objetions

<jeff.mischkinsky>

or even objections

Resolution: Resolve ASSEMBLY-262 with proposal in JIRA modified to use "latest version" URLs (as in chat room) w/o

MikeE:

Need to get this to CSD and PR

...will produce new doc now - will be WD 074

BryanA:

Previous Exit Criteria discussion assumed no other changes to spec?

AnishK:

Not entirely - depends on how it gets resolved

...Exit Criteria will probably be non-normative and so not need another rev of the spec

MikeE:

Anyone care to motion to accept new doc & propose PR

AnishK:

TC Adim now needs actual URL to doc for approval motions

FIVE MINUTES GENTS

EricW:

I can delay producing minutes until doc exists :-)

From a note from a TC admin on 21 March: #2 May a TC approve an imaginary/nonexistent WD as CSD/CND?
==============================================================

The occasional allowance made by TC Admin in the past for
approval of a Working Draft "subject to certain changes..."
is being discontinued, primarily for resourcing reasons.
TC Admin does not have time to verify that ONLY certain
kinds/classes of changes, or changes consistent with a
certain stated goal, or ONLY certain enumerated changes,
have actually been made in a Working Draft that's approved
for CD. This practice is judged procedurally suspect, and has
created numerous problems due to ambiguity, demonstrable
lack of adherence to limited specified changes, and other
consequences.

Until further notice, motions to approve a WD as CSD/CND
must be made with reference to an existing, published
Working Draft release -- one that actually exists at the
date/time of the motion, as clarified in the TC Handbook.
[2]

Link: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/42196/sca-assembly-1.1-spec-wd074.doc

Motion: Accept WD074 as CSD08 of SCA Assembly 1.1 spec and publish for 15 day Public review m=BryanA s=MikeK

Minor error in doc - needs fixing before approval

Out of time - motion dies

AOB

Straggler roll - DannyV EricJ JimM

autoroll: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/event.php?event_id=30267&day=1305638488

thanks ericw

COB 9:00AM PDT

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sca-assembly message

- DRAFT -

Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference

17 MAY 2011

Attendees

Present

Chairs

Scribe

Agenda:

Contents

Action Items

Resolutions

Minutes

Opening

Action Items

Administrivia

Exit Criteria

Updated 1.1 Assembly Specification - consider for CSD & PR

AOB

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