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Oasis SCA-Assembly Teleconference
07 FEB 2012
Present
Company | Name | Role |
IBM | Edwards, Mike | Chair |
Oracle | Chapman, Martin | Chair |
Hitachi, Ltd. | Wells, Eric | Voting Member |
IBM | Aupperle, Bryan | Voting Member |
IBM | Holdsworth, Simon | Voting Member |
IBM | Kaiser, Mike | Voting Member |
IBM | Niblett, Peter | Voting Member |
Oracle | Karmarkar, Anish | Voting Member |
Oracle | Malhotra, Ashok | Voting Member |
Oracle | Pilz, Gilbert | Voting Member |
SAP AG | Patil, Sanjay | Voting Member |
TIBCO Software Inc. | Johnson, Eric | Voting Member |
Chairs
Martin Chapman |
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Mike Edwards |
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Scribe
Agenda:
1. Intro
Roll call
Scribe confirmation
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of previous SCA-Assembly TC meeting
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/45038/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202012-01-31.html 3. Action Items
id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
id=2011-07-19-1 status=pending Booz to prepare a clean wd working draft for future publication
id=2011-08-02-2 status=pending Karmarkar to do a 2119 fly-specing job on the 1.2 spec and generate a proposal
id=2011-08-23-1 status=pending Version 1.2 editors to apply the resolution of Assembly-141 to 1.2
id=2011-12-06-2 status=pending owner="EricJ" Work up initial proposal for ASSEMBLY-247
id=2012-01-17-1 status=done Niblett to write up his ideas for Assembly-239
id=2012-01-31-1 status=done Patil will communicate with the other committees and the liaison committee to urge action on completion
of SCA V1.1
4. TC Administrivia
5. 1.2 Specification Open Issues (1.2)
ASSEMBLY-247: What are the requirements on an SCA Binding for eventing purposes?
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-247 Latest email:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201201/msg00002.html ASSEMBLY-239: (1.2): Business data filter element needs better name, definition
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-239 Peter Niblett's Proposal:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201202/msg00000.html ASSEMBLY-233: Define how Policy works for SCA Eventing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-233 Examples & discussion:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201111/msg00022.htmlhttp://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201111/msg00023.html Analysis in email:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201110/msg00014.html ASSEMBLY-227: Promotion of consumers and producers undermines composability
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-227 Proposal
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-assembly/201004/msg00044.html http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37273/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.pdf http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/37272/sca-assembly-1.2-spec-wd01-issue-227.doc ASSEMBLY-248: RFC2119 wording and conformance statement need to be added for event processing
http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/ASSEMBLY-248 No proposal
8. AOB
Minutes
Opening
Add ASSEMBLY-233 discussion
Approval of minutes
Resolution: Minutes of 2012-01-31 approved w/o
Action Items
Action: id=2012-01-17-1 status=done Niblett to write up his ideas for Assembly-239
Action: id=2012-01-31-1 status=done Patil will communicate with the other committees and the liaison committee to urge
Action: id=2010-09-22-8 status=pending owner="EricJ" produce new proposal for ASSEMBLY-227
Action: id=2011-07-19-1 status=pending Booz to prepare a clean wd working draft for future publication
Action: id=2011-08-02-2 status=pending Karmarkar to do a 2119 fly-specing job on the 1.2 spec and generate a proposal
Action: id=2011-08-23-1 status=pending Version 1.2 editors to apply the resolution of Assembly-141 to 1.2
Action: id=2011-12-06-2 status=pending owner="EricJ" Work up initial proposal for ASSEMBLY-247
Administrivia
Server hosing JIRA will be withdrawn at end of month
Maybe can transfer to OASIS system
Links within messages (e.g. minutes) will break
Not much that can be done - will have to manually track down refs
Do not know if 2 JIRA systems are compatible - port issues directly into OASIS JIRA ?
Problem is with issue numbers - if these get changed there would be no easy way to track down relatedentries/messages
Probably better to archive then manually import open issues into OASIS
<Ashok Malhotra (Oracle)>
Who will create the archive?
Doesn't seem to be any interest in paying to maintain existing system
Chairs need to ask OASIS Admin to set up new JIRA system
Specification Open Issues (1.2)
PeterN:
Summarizes issue and reviews his proposal
Two examples in E-mail to illustrate how alternative proposals work
AnishK:
Good write-up but not quite what was originally intended
...not introducing an "any" - was trying to clarify where new filters would be introduced
PeterN:
Write-up was based on latest discussions
EricJ:
Doesn't like idea that there's no way to enforce filters to bin in specific substitution groups (depending on type)
PeterN:
We should encourage people to document the type of new filters (body, meta-data, etc)
MikeE:
Can't acually control naming within substitution groups (i.e. anything outside the SCA namespace)
<Ashok Malhotra (Oracle)>
And it is unwise to read meaning into names
MikeE:
Way forward? Doesn't seem to be any particular preference
AnishK:
Take straw poll in chat?
<Peter Niblett>
Three options:
<Peter Niblett>
1. "Current Proposal" as in my email (3 substitution groups)
<Peter Niblett>
2. Alternative in the email (0 sub groups)
<Peter Niblett>
3. Alternative 2 - 2 sub groups (body and "metadata" - i.e. anything else)
Voting doesn't really work for this (yes/no vs. preference)
EricW:
We should pass a resolution to make Doug Daivs a memnber of the TC
<MartinC>
1 had 4 preferences, 2 had 2, 3 had 3, and 4 had 2
MikeE:
Slight overall preference for existing #1 proposal
...will vote on next week
<Ashok Malhotra (Oracle)>
I sent mail about issue 233 - Comment on IBM proposal for eventing policy
AshokM:
Has sent e-mail on this
...Can we use filters to accomplish this function?
AOB
EricW:
Will remove UNUSED chat room vote from minutes - E-mail if there are any objections
...will keep straw poll & results
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