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Subject: Re: [sca-assembly] Draft Minutes 29th January 2013
hi,
(you weren't a year tardy in getting out the minutes :-)
the date of the minutes is 2013, not 2012.
cheers,
jeff
On Feb 18, 2013, at 7:04 AM, Martin Chapman wrote:
> Minutes SCA Assembly TC Meeting 29th January 2012
>
> Attendees:
>
> IBM Bryan Aupperle Voting Member
> Oracle Martin Chapman Chair
> IBM Mike Edwards Chair
> TIBCO Software Inc. Eric Johnson Member
> IBM Mike Kaiser Voting Member
> Oracle Anish Karmarkar Voting Member
> Oracle Ashok Malhotra Voting Member
> Oracle Jeff Mischkinsky Voting Member
> Oracle Gilbert Pilz Voting Member
> TIBCO Software Inc. Danny van der Rijn Voting Member
>
> Draft AGENDA
> 1. Selection of scribe
> 2. Roll call
> 3. Agenda bashing
> 4. Approve minutes of October 09, 2012 Telcon
> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/47148/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202012-10-09.pdf
> 5. News on compliant implementations
> 6. Next meeting
> 7 AOB
>
> 1.Scribe.
>
> Mike Edwards volunteered
>
> 2. Roll call
>
> Attendees listed above, meeting is quorate.
>
> 3. Agenda bashing
>
> Jeff: Add a topic about how long we're going to keep this TC going
> Approved as modified by Jeff.
>
> 4. Approve minutes of October 09, 2012 Telcon
>
> https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-assembly/download.php/47148/SCA%20Assembly%20minutes%202012-10-09.pdf
> Minutes are accepted without change
>
>
>
> 5. News on compliant implementations
>
> Mike E: We are aware of the Switchyard ESB product that does use the SCA specifications - but they are not doing any conformance testing
> ...Otherwise, there is no change in status relating to compliant implementations
>
> 6.How long we're going to keep this TC going?
>
> Jeff: Been in limbo for 1.5 years
> - nothing has been happening
> - look to close the Assembly TC & the others
> Martin: Nobody has raised bugs on the lists
> - so even if people are using the specs, they are not raising errors either
> Danny: Process wise I see 3 options a) stay in this limbo b) make efforts to get more compliant implementations c) close the TC
> - agree with Jeff that it might be worth closing up shop
>
> MOTION Jeff moves to close the TC, Bryan 2nds
> Discussion:
> Danny: we should do this in conjunction with the other TCs
> Martin: Amend the motion to make this an electronic ballot, Ashok seconds
> Amendment accepted
> Discussion (cont)
> Jeff: There is no obvious procedural way to handle this between the TCs
> - but the membership is pretty similar
> Eric: There is a compliant implementation out there, is there some way to capture the existence of the specifications?
> Jeff: The committee drafts etc do not simply go away when we close the TC - they stay
> Motion is Accepted: a motion to close the TC will go for an electronic ballot
>
>
> 7. Next meeting
>
> Nothing scheduled as dependant on result of the ballot from above.
>
>
> 8. AOB
>
> Straggler roll.
>
> Meeting Adjourned.
>
> Chat transcript
>
> 8:03:13 AM Jeff Mischkinsky: what's the call in?
> 8:03:35 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: MartinC : USA Toll-Free 888-426-6840 Caller Paid 215-861-6239
> 8:03:44 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: MartinC : Participant Code: 3308084
> 8:04:09 AM Jeff Mischkinsky: sorry, its been so long ,
> 8:06:00 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Item 3 Agenda Bashing
> 8:06:14 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Jeff: Add a topic about how long we're going to keep this TC going
> 8:06:57 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Item 5 News on Compliant Implementations
> 8:10:31 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Mike E: We are aware of the Switchyard ESB product that does use
>
> the SCA specifications - but they are not doing any conformance testing
> 8:10:52 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Otherwise, there is no change in status relating to compliant
>
> implementations
> 8:12:25 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Item 4 Minutes of Last Meeting
> 8:12:27 AM Jeff Mischkinsky: ?members
> 8:12:28 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: List of members: Bryan Aupperle, gilbert.pilz, jeff.mischkinsky, MartinC , Mike Edwards
>
> (UK)
> 8:12:29 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): October 9th
> 8:13:00 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Minutes are accepted without change
> 8:13:27 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Item 6 how long we're going to keep this TC going?
> 8:13:42 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Jeff: Been in limbo for 1.5 years
> 8:14:01 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): - nothing has been happening
> 8:14:22 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): - look to close the Assembly TC & the others
> 8:14:29 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: MartinC
> 8:15:01 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Martin: Nobody has raised bugs on the lists
> 8:15:24 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-
> 8:15:29 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): - so even if people are using the specs, they are not raising errors
>
> either
> 8:15:43 AM Jeff Mischkinsky: +q
> 8:15:44 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: jeff.mischkinsky
> 8:16:41 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Danny: Process wise I see 3 options a) stay in this limbo b) make
>
> efforts to get more compliant implementations c) close the TC
> 8:16:53 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): - agree with Jeff that it might be worth closing up shop
> 8:17:09 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Jeff moves to close the TC
> 8:18:02 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Bryan seconds
> 8:18:13 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-
> 8:18:13 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK) lowered your hand
> 8:18:17 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: MartinC
> 8:18:28 AM Jeff Mischkinsky: +q
> 8:18:29 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: MartinC , jeff.mischkinsky
> 8:18:41 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Danny: we should do this in conjunction with the other TCs
> 8:19:03 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Martin: Amend the motion to make this an electronic ballot
> 8:19:34 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Ashok seconds
> 8:19:50 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Amendment accepted
> 8:20:59 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: jeff.mischkinsky
> 8:21:07 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: jeff.mischkinsky, MartinC
> 8:21:43 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Jeff: There is no obvious procedural way to handle this between the
>
> TCs
> 8:22:02 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): - but the membership is pretty similar
> 8:23:33 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: MartinC
> 8:23:33 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: MartinC lowered your hand
> 8:23:33 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-
> 8:23:46 AM Jeff Mischkinsky: +q
> 8:23:47 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: jeff.mischkinsky
> 8:25:18 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: jeff.mischkinsky, MartinC
> 8:26:24 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Eric: There is a compliant implementation out there, is there some
>
> way to capture the existence of the specifications?
> 8:27:22 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Jeff: The committee drafts etc do not simply go away when we close
>
> the TC - they stay
> 8:30:13 AM Jeff Mischkinsky: +q
> 8:30:25 AM Jeff Mischkinsky: -q
> 8:30:26 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: MartinC
> 8:30:54 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Accepted that the motion to close the TC will go for an electronic
>
> ballot
> 8:30:57 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-
> 8:32:15 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Action: (Chairs) Inform the other SCA TCs that this closure motion is in
>
> process
> 8:33:14 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Jeff moves to thank the chairs for their work over the past years
> 8:33:19 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Bryan seconds
> 8:33:39 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Motion accepted
> 8:33:43 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: Ashok Malhotra (Oracle)
> 8:37:44 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): Item 7 AOB
> 8:37:47 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-
> 8:37:50 AM sca-assembly-tc@soaphub.org: Mike Edwards (UK): None On Feb 18, 2013, at 4:22 AM, Martin Chapman wrote:
>
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