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Subject: Re: [sca-assembly] Next steps for the SCA Assembly TC


Eric,

Sorry if the email is confusing.

The intention was first to paint the overall picture and then place Jim's efforts within that picture.

We most certainly have to consider Jim's submissions - and we shall do so on the proposed teleconference.
I did not mean to imply any deficiency in Jim's submissions - only that they are submissions that the TC have
yet to consider (and indeed there are parallel submissions to the other SCA TCs that also need to be considered).
On the other hand, there may be other submissions forthcoming, so that the idea of an announced  time limit is as much
for them as for Jim (I am reminded of the joke about buses always travelling in convoys... you wait for a conforming runtime
and then 3 all turn up at once).

The time bounding of the work is a proposal that we shall discuss - and the considerations that you raise are certainly
part of the discussion.  Our initial email makes a specific proposal - but it is the TC as a whole that will make the decision
and the TC has the power to choose an alternative timeframe.

Given the submissions to the other TCs, I will seek to get the other TCs to meet relatively rapidly to consider those submissions
so that we can all complete our work efficiently.

Then we can prepare the cauldrons for the next ocean  ;-)

Yours, Mike

Dr Mike Edwards  Mail Point 137, Hursley Park
STSM  Winchester, Hants SO21 2JN
Cloud Computing & Services Standards  United Kingdom
Chair UK ISO SC38 mirror committee (Cloud & SOA)  
Co-Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC  
PEPPOL eProcurement team member  
IBM Software Group  
Phone: +44-1962 818014 (37248014)  
Mobile: +44-7802-467431 (274097)  
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From: Eric Johnson <eric@tibco.com>
To: Mike Edwards/UK/IBM@IBMGB,
Cc: OASIS Assembly <sca-assembly@lists.oasis-open.org>
Date: 12/03/2013 17:08
Subject: Re: [sca-assembly] Next steps for the SCA Assembly TC





Hi Mike,

I'm confused by your response.

Jim Marino has, in fact, presented the evidence of conforming runtime. If he hasn't yet, then the TC should be telling him what seems to be missing. The tone of your email implies that Jim's submission was somehow deficient.

Yes, as a TC, we need to accept the submission, but that's different from "if a conforming runtime is presented."

On top of that, it feels premature to put an outer bounds on how much time must be allotted, when forward progress is constrained by the convening of the other TCs, and the respective acceptance of the Fabric 3 submission by those TCs.

However, I do also agree with your desire to somehow time-limit the TC. Deadlines do help provide focus, and we all probably need to move on (and boil the next ocean). I think it more appropriate, however, to indicate a time such as N months after other TCs have accepted the Fabric 3 submissions, rather than presume that all the other TCs will manage to meet in short order, without logistical difficulties. After all, we've effectively been on a long hiatus.

Eric.


On 3/12/13 6:44 AM, Mike Edwards wrote:
Folks

Following the recent ballot on the proposal to close the SCA Assembly TC, which did not achieve the required

supermajority and so failed, we need to plan the next steps for the TC.


There has also been a flurry of activity and emails relating to conformance testing of the Fabric3 runtime which

need addressing.


The idea that the chairs would like to propose is that the SCA Assembly TC should continue working towards getting

the SCA Assembly Model specification to Committee Specification status, but only for a limited additional period

of time.  We feel that reasonable notice should be given to potential conforming runtime owners to come forward,

but that we should not commit to continue the work of the TC indefinitely.  So, we propose that a time limit of 3 months

is used, by which time a second conforming runtime is presented to the TC, or else we should close the TC.


If a conforming runtime is presented, then we should look to process the SCA Assembly Model specification to

Committee Specification status (note: this could extend beyond the 3 months discussed above, depending on

process issues...).  Once Committee Specification status us reached, then we should consider the appropriate next

steps.


In order to discuss both the Fabric3 submissions and the content of this email, we propose to have a teleconference

of the SCA Assembly TC at the "regular" time of 08:00 Pacific on March 26th.


Note that Bindings, Java and Policy TCs will also need to meet to discuss their respective Fabric3 submissions,

so we suspect that there will be an overall process spanning a number of weeks.


Comments welcome.



Yours, Mike

Dr Mike Edwards  Mail Point 137, Hursley Park
STSM  Winchester, Hants SO21 2JN
Cloud Computing & Services Standards  United Kingdom
Chair UK ISO SC38 mirror committee (Cloud & SOA)  
Co-Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC  
PEPPOL eProcurement team member  
IBM Software Group  
Phone: +44-1962 818014 (37248014)  
Mobile: +44-7802-467431 (274097)  
e-mail: mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com  
 
 







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