Raw transcript from 14 Aug.

[12:00] Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: 

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[12:00] Simon Holdsworth: Agenda: . Opening 

Introductions 
Roll call 
Scribe assignment 

Top 10 on the scribe list (full list below, brackets indicate currently non-voting members): 
Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited 
Bryan Aupperle IBM 
Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc. 
(Michael Beisiegel IBM) 
(Sanjay Patil SAP AG) 
Piotr Przybylski IBM 
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation 
Khanderao Kand Oracle Corporation 
Nimish Hathalia TIBCO Software Inc. 
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG 

Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Binding TC meeting of 31st July 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/29028/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202008-07-31.doc 

3. Actions 

20080304-3 [Simon Nash] Submit an updated proposal for resolution of issue 2. Need to wait for Java issue 25 to be resolved. 
20080304-9 [Editors] Update specs for outcome of ASSEMBLY-55. 
20080304-10 [Editors] Add sentence to specs: "Any SCA runtime that claims to support this binding must abide by the requirements of this specification" (done for JMS binding spec and WS binding spec) 
20080424-1 [Editors] Action: editors to incorporate editorial issue from Erics email into the specs. Original email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200804/msg00008.html Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200806/msg00023.html 
20080501-3 [Editors] Apply changes required by Latest/This Version URI for Schema/WSDL file to bindings specifications 
20080717-1 [Editors] Produce a revision of the current WDs with as many resolved issues included by Aug 7th 08 
20080717-2 [Editors] Produce a revision of the forthcoming CDs to include RFC2119 re-writing by Sept 15th 08 
20080717-3 [Anish Karmarkar] Revise Erics WSDL generation proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200807/msg00004.html Target: 14th August 
20080717-4 [Sanjay Patil] Provide examples for issue 24 
20080717-6 [Vladimir Savchenko] Send out a proposal for how WSDL bindings and portTypes relate to each other. Target: 14th August 
20080717-7 [Editors] Pseudo-schema in JCA binding spec must be made consistent with that in the other 2 binding specs. Target: 14th August 
20080717-8 [Mike Edwards] File an assembly issue for an annotation to determine whether or not a forward request carries a callback address. Target: 14th August 
20080717-9 [Simon Holdsworth] Propose wording to the Policy TC to clarify the spec re. behaviour of the 'ordered' intent. Target: 14th August 
20080717-10 [Simon Holdsworth] Submit proposal for issue 7. Target: 21st August 
20080717-11 [Simon Holdsworth] Provide examples to resolve issue 31. Target: 21st August 
20080717-13 [Simon Holdsworth] Chat with chair of Java TC to figure out f2f options; Go back to the Java TC to see if the dates can be aligned between the 2 TCs 
20080731-1 [Piotr Przybylski] Look at Eric's responses re: activation spec/connection factory (his responses from AI 20080626-1) 
20080731-2 [Anish Karmarkar] Update proposal for BINDINGS-2 and publish to the TC 

4. CD vote 

Latest working drafts: 

JCA: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/29012/sca-jcabinding-1.1-spec-WD-02.pdf 

JMS: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/28984/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-WD-04.pdf 

WS: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/29039/sca-wsbinding-1.1-spec-WD-04.pdf 

5. Discuss Liaision Subcommittee current position on dates 

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200808/msg00023.html 

5. New Issues 

none 

6. Open Issue Discussion 

Open issues with proposed resolutions: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-27 
Identifying data binding and operation selection 
Raiser: Mike Rowley, owner: Mike Edwards 
Status: Updated proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200808/msg00031.html 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-2 
How should SCA callback semantics be carried over Web Services? 
Raiser: Simon Nash, owner: Simon Nash 
Status: Waiting for updated proposal (action item 20080731-2) 

Open issues with identified resolution owner: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-7 
JMS bindingType and ordered intent - clarification needed 
Raiser: Peter Peshev, owner Simon Holdsworth 
Status: resolution required as per 20080717-10 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-11 
"Formal" WSDL generation is unclear, ambiguous, and incomplete 
Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Eric Johnson, Anish Karmarkar 
Status: Waiting for updated proposal from Anish as per 20080717-3 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-21 
Support for callback and conversation ID-s in bindings 
Raiser: Peter Peshev, owner Peter Peshev 
Status: Proposed resolution in issue 
Notes: As for BINDINGS-2, this is waiting for clarification around conversations at the assembly level 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-31 
What is a "plain name" for a connection factories or activation specs, and how is one distinguished from a JNDI name? 
Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Simon Holdsworth 
Status: Waiting for clarification as per 20080717-11 

Open issues with no identified resolution owner: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-22 
Bindings specifications should provide exemplary Implementations for Callbacks and Conversations 
Raiser: Mike Edwards 
Status: No proposed resolution 
Notes: As for BINDINGS-2, this is waiting for clarification around conversations at the assembly level 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-23 
@wsdlElement definition needs clarification on "equivalent" and use of WSDL 2.0 constructs 
Raiser: Eric Johnson 
Status: Specific resolution text required 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-24 
Which wire did a message arrive on? 
Raiser: Sanjay Patil 
Status: Waiting for examples from Sanjay as per 20080717-4 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-25 
Is it required that every implementation of binding.ws support the soap intent? 
Raiser: Anish Karmarkar 
Status: No current proposal. Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200807/msg00006.html 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-29 
Properties on Bindings 
Raiser: Piotr Przybylski 
Status: No current proposal; defer until Policy 15 (External Attachment) is resolved 

7. AOB

[12:01] Simon Holdsworth: brb

[12:04] Bryan Aupperle: Looks like it my turn to scribe.

[12:06] Simon Holdsworth: Thanks Bryan

[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: Meeting is quorate

[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Approval of minutes of 31 July.

[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Minutes are approved w/o

[12:10] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Action Items

[12:11] Bryan Aupperle: 20080304-3 is superseded by 20080731-2

[12:11] Bryan Aupperle: 20080304-10 Done

[12:12] Bryan Aupperle: 20080424-1 Still outstanding for JMS, done for Web Services, still outstanding for JCA

[12:13] Bryan Aupperle: 20080304-9 Assembly 55 is not resolved  so the AI is still pending.  AI should be reworded to state "when Assembly-55 is resolved"

[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: 20080501-3 will be addressed when we update cover pages for CDs.

[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-1 Done

[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-2 Pending

[12:15] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-3 Pending

[12:15] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-4 Pending

[12:15] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-6 Pending

[12:15] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-7 Done

[12:15] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-8 Done

[12:17] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-9 Pending

[12:17] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-10 Pending

[12:17] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-11 Pending

[12:17] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-13 Pending

[12:18] Bryan Aupperle: 20080731-1 Done

[12:18] Bryan Aupperle: AI (Simon H) Check words in JMS spec match note.

[12:19] Bryan Aupperle: 20080731-2 Pending

[12:19] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Committee Drafts

[12:21] Bryan Aupperle: Eric notes that there are inconsistencies between what issues claim to be applied vs. what appears in the WS binding document.

[12:24] Bryan Aupperle: Discussion over whether WS draft 04 is appropriate to be voted on as CD.

[12:24] anish: which issue has not been applied to binding.ws?

[12:25] anish: i went through the issues list and applied all the resolutions last night

[12:26] Bryan Aupperle: Similar concerns about JMS draft 04 and JCA draft 02

[12:27] Bryan Aupperle: One possible option would be to clone the issues, making them specific to a spec.

[12:28] Mike Edwards: Dependent issues are already supported in the OASIS SCA JIRA

[12:29] Mike Edwards: And there is an operation available to clone an issue

[12:30] anish: FWIW, Eric's request is very very reasonable

[12:31] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: The WS draft has only been available for less thatn 24 hours.  We need more time to review.

[12:32] Bryan Aupperle: The JMS and JCA drafts need to have the Authoritative format marked (AI on editors).

[12:34] anish: proposal: (1) ask editors to fix everything that is know to be broken now (such as 'authoritative') (2) send out all three specs and a list of issues that are applied (3) set a deadline for review (4) set a deadline for editors to produce new draft if the review throws up something (5) set a deadline for vote

[12:35] Bryan Aupperle: Motion (Eric, seconded by Mike) to defer the vote on the drafts as CDs until the next meeting.

[12:36] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: suggests that the editors prepare drafts that look like CDs.

[12:37] Martin C: sorry irish airspace

[12:39] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: we should have a set of deadline for 1) a set of drafts for addressing the known issues 2) comments on the updated drafts 3) responses to the comments and 4) votes.

[12:40] anish: i don't see a big rush for CD. If it is delayed by a week, that is OK IMHO

[12:40] Martin C: +1

[12:43] anish: the applied issues list is already in Appendix D

[12:43] anish: 'Revision history'

[12:43] Bryan Aupperle: Simon H.: suggests preparing a table of resolved issues and which have been applied to which documents.  This will help us know which issues can be closed.

[12:46] Bryan Aupperle: Motion passes w/o

[12:47] Bryan Aupperle: AI (Simon H) Produce Issue Application table and mark PDF version as authoritative.

[12:47] Bryan Aupperle: AI (Piotr) Mark PDF version as authoritative in JCA.

[12:51] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Liaision Subcommittee current position on dates

[12:51] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Liaision Subcommittee current position on dates

[12:53] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: The open issue bar raising date is a month earlier than we agreed since we are trying to get RFC 2119 text by mid Sept.

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