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Subject: Today's minutes
[12:01] anonymous: Audio conference: Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) Phone numbers: Austria = Vienna 026822056419 Belgium = Brussels 022901709 China Toll Free = China North 108007121722, China South 108001201722 Denmark = Copenhagen 32714982 France = Paris 0170994364, Lyon 0426840196, Marseilles 0488915310 Germany = Berlin 030726167296, Frankfurt 069710445413, Hamburg 040809020620, Munich 089244432767, Stuttgart 0711490813212, Dusseldorf 021154073845 India Toll Free = 0008001006703 Ireland = Dublin 014367612 Italy = Milan 0230413007, Rome 06452108288, Turin 01121792100 Japan = Tokyo 0357675037 Netherlands = Amsterdam 0207965349 Portugal = Lisbon 211200415 Russia Toll Free = 81080022074011 Spain = Barcelona: 934923140, Madrid: 917889793 Sweden = Stockholm 0850520404 Switzerland = Geneva 0225927186 UK Toll Free = 08003581667 UK Toll = London 02071542988, Manchester 01612500379, Birmingham 01212604587 USA Toll Free = 18665289390 USA Toll = 19543344789
[12:02] Simon Holdsworth: Agenda
[12:02] Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening Introductions Roll call Scribe assignment Top 10 on the scribe list (full list below, brackets indicate currently non-voting members): (Michael Beisiegel IBM) (Sanjay Patil SAP AG) Nimish Hathalia TIBCO Software Inc. Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Vladimir Savchenko SAP AG Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation David Booz IBM Bryan Aupperle IBM Khanderao Kand Oracle Corporation Agenda bashing 2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Binding TC meeting of 16th October http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/29703/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202008-10-16.doc 3. Actions 20080304-9 [Editors] Update specs for outcome of ASSEMBLY-55 when it is resolved. 20080424-1 [Editors] Action: editors to incorporate editorial issue from Erics email into the specs. Original email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200804/msg00008.html Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200806/msg00023.html (done for WS, still outstanding for JMS and JCA) 20080717-2 [Editors] Produce a revision of the forthcoming CDs to include RFC2119 re-writing by Sept 15th 2008; updated deadline Oct 20th 2008 20080717-4 [Sanjay Patil] Provide examples for issue 24 20080717-6 [Vladimir Savchenko] Send out a proposal for how WSDL bindings and portTypes relate to each other. Target: 14th August 20080717-10 [Simon Holdsworth] Submit proposal for issue 7. Pending acceptance/resolution of Policy issue 60. 20080904-1 [Editors] update SOAP intent as per email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200808/msg00072.html 20081009-1 [Simon Holdsworth] Produce specific resolution text for issue 42. 20081016-1 [Editors] Update JCA bindings spec to clarify there are no may provides or always provides intents 20081016-2 [Eric Johnson] Send link to list regarding SOAP JMS bindings work around text messages 4. New Issues Please note, as per resolution on 9th October 2008, new issues received on the mailing list after Noon GMT 1st November can only be opened using the same voting rules as re-opening a closed issue (2/3 majority of a full TC vote) BINDINGS-49: Unique Particle Attribute error in schema for web service binding with EndpointReference http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-49 Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200810/msg00072.html BINDINGS-50: Naming of types in JMS binding specification http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-50 5. Open Issue Discussion Open issues with proposed resolutions: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-2 How should SCA callback semantics be carried over Web Services? Raiser: Simon Nash, owner: Anish Karmarkar Status: Proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200808/msg00071.html Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200808/msg00073.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-11 "Formal" WSDL generation is unclear, ambiguous, and incomplete Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Eric Johnson, Anish Karmarkar Status: Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200810/msg00012.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-31 What is a "plain name" for a connection factories or activation specs, and how is one distinguished from a JNDI name? Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Updated proposal in email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200810/msg00013.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-40 Clarify rules around combination of destination, CF and AS elements Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200810/msg00077.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-44 Update binding.jms spec for wireFormat/operationSelection elements Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200810/msg00073.html
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: Scribe: Bryan Aupperle
[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Approval of Minutes of 16 Oct.
[12:10] Bryan Aupperle: Approved w/o
[12:10] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Action Items
[12:10] anish: assembly-55 is closed
[12:11] Bryan Aupperle: 20080304-9: Ongoing
[12:11] Bryan Aupperle: 20080424-1: Done for Web Services and JMS, pending for JCA
[12:13] Bryan Aupperle: Correction: Done for all specs
[12:13] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-2: Done
[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-4: Pending
[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-6: Pending
[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-10: Pending
[12:15] Bryan Aupperle: 20080904-1: Pending
[12:16] Bryan Aupperle: In WS spec, 2119 text changes deliberately done separately - expecting discussion.
[12:21] Bryan Aupperle: Discussion about document content management wrt 2119 text proposal and application of other resolved issues.
[12:23] Bryan Aupperle: 20081009-1: Pending
[12:23] Bryan Aupperle: 20081016-1: Pending
[12:24] Bryan Aupperle: 20081016-2: Done
[12:24] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: New Issues
[12:24] Bryan Aupperle: BINDINGS-49: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-49
[12:25] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Open issue 49 (Mike, second Simon N)
[12:26] Bryan Aupperle: Accepted w/o
[12:26] anish: happy to resolve this now
[12:28] Bryan Aupperle: Mike describes his proposal (http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200810/msg00072.html)
[12:30] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: Does this expose us to a new dependency?
[12:30] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: No, same dependency
[12:31] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: it is common to use types from other schema
[12:33] Bryan Aupperle: Simon N: Why is it worse to simply remove the explicit reference and just rely on the any?
[12:34] Bryan Aupperle: Putting it in the sca namespace provides the best possible error checking
[12:37] anish: replace wsa:EndpointReference with sca:EndpointReference (of type wsa:EndpointReferenceType)
[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: resolve issue 49 with proposal 3 in the referenced e-mail.
[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Moved by Mike, second Anish
[12:39] Bryan Aupperle: Resolved w/o
[12:39] Bryan Aupperle: Issue 50: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-50
[12:40] anish: so we are now trading namespaces for long local names to avoid collision
[12:41] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Open issue 50 (Dave, second Piotr)
[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: Resolved w/o
[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: resolve issue 50 with proposal in JIRA (Dave, second Piotr)
[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: Resolved w/o
[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Open Issues
[12:43] Bryan Aupperle: Issue 2:
[12:43] Bryan Aupperle: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-2
[12:44] Bryan Aupperle: Latest e-mail: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200808/msg00073.html
[12:44] Bryan Aupperle: Anish reviews current status of discussion
[12:47] Bryan Aupperle: Dave points out the second question in the e-mail has not yet been addressed.
[12:55] Bryan Aupperle: Discussion about how a client looking at WSDL knows there is a callback; sca client or non-sca client
[12:56] Bryan Aupperle: May need additional fault details
[12:59] anish: add an attribute on portType called callback="xs:QName" where the qname points to another portTYPE
[13:02] Bryan Aupperle: AI: (Anish) Produce updated proposal with additional fault details
[13:03] Bryan Aupperle: AI (Mike) Raise issue in Assembly on need for callback WSDL annotation.
[13:05] Bryan Aupperle: s/AI/AI:/