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Subject: Raw chat log of 2008-12-11 call
Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) Phone numbers: Austria = Vienna 026822056419 Belgium = Brussels 022901709 China Toll Free = China North 108007121722, China South 108001201722 Denmark = Copenhagen 32714982 France = Paris 0170994364, Lyon 0426840196, Marseilles 0488915310 Germany = Berlin 030726167296, Frankfurt 069710445413, Hamburg 040809020620, Munich 089244432767, Stuttgart 0711490813212, Dusseldorf 021154073845 India Toll Free = 0008001006703 Ireland = Dublin 014367612 Italy = Milan 0230413007, Rome 06452108288, Turin 01121792100 Japan = Tokyo 0357675037 Netherlands = Amsterdam 0207965349 Portugal = Lisbon 211200415 Russia Toll Free = 81080022074011 Spain = Barcelona: 934923140, Madrid: 917889793 Sweden = Stockholm 0850520404 Switzerland = Geneva 0225927186 UK Toll Free = 08003581667 UK Toll = London 02071542988, Manchester 01612500379, Birmingham 01212604587 USA Toll Free = 18665289390 USA Toll = 19543344789 Simon Holdsworth: Agenda: Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening Introductions Roll call Scribe assignment Top 10 on the scribe list: Nimish Hathalia TIBCO Software Inc. Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc. Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation Khanderao Kand Oracle Corporation David Booz IBM Bryan Aupperle IBM Agenda bashing 2. Approval of the minutes from 1st-4th December virtual F2F http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/30294/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202008-12-01.doc 3. Actions 20080717-4 [Sanjay Patil] Provide examples for issue 24 20080717-6 [Vladimir Savchenko] Send out a proposal for how WSDL bindings and portTypes relate to each other. Target: 14th August 20080904-1 [Editors] update SOAP intent as per email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200808/msg00072.html 20081016-1 [Editors] Update JCA bindings spec to clarify there are no may provides or always provides intents 4. New Issues Please note, as per resolution on 9th October 2008, new issues received on the mailing list after Noon GMT 1st November can only be opened using the same voting rules as re-opening a closed issue (2/3 majority of a full TC vote) No new issues 5. Open Issue Discussion Open issues with proposed resolutions: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-11 v"Formal" WSDL generation is unclear, ambiguous, and incomplete Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Eric Johnson, Anish Karmarkar Status: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200812/msg00054.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-31 What is a "plain name" for a connection factories or activation specs, and how is one distinguished from a JNDI name? Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Updated proposal in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200812/msg00027.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-40 Clarify rules around combination of destination, CF and AS elements Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200812/msg00028.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-42 Clarify default data binding for JMS Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Proposed resolution in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200812/msg00007.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-44 Update binding.jms spec for wireFormat/operationSelection elements Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200810/msg00073.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-55 WSDL 2.0 support Raiser: Bryan Aupperle, owner: Editors Status: Proposal in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-57 Add a section documenting naming convention + be consistent on naming intents (binding.ws) Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Editors Status: Proposal in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-58 Add a section documenting naming convention + be consistent on naming intents (binding.jca) Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Editors Status: Proposal in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-59 Add a section documenting naming convention + be consistent on naming intents (binding.jms) Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Editors Status: Proposal in issue Open issues with identified resolution owner: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-2 How should SCA callback semantics be carried over Web Services? Raiser: Simon Nash, owner: Anish Karmarkar Status: Proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200812/msg00043.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-21 Support for callback and conversation ID-s in bindings Raiser: Peter Peshev, owner Peter Peshev Status: Proposed resolution in issue Notes: As for BINDINGS-2, this is waiting for clarification around conversations at the assembly level http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-39 JMS callback specification does not cater for callbacks using other bindings Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner Simon Holdsworth Status: Complete resolution proposal required http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-43 Update binding.ws spec for wireFormat/operationSelection elements Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Anish Karmarkar Status: Specific resolution text required. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-45 Update binding.jca spec for wireFormat/operationSelection elements Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Piotr Przybylski Status: Specific resolution text required. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-54 Endpoint URI algorithm is unclear Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Eric Johnson Status: Initial proposal in JIRA. Open issues with no identified resolution owner: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-22 Bindings specifications should provide exemplary Implementations for Callbacks and Conversations Raiser: Mike Edwards Status: No proposed resolution Notes: As for BINDINGS-2, this is waiting for clarification around conversations at the assembly level http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-23 @wsdlElement definition needs clarification on "equivalent" and use of WSDL 2.0 constructs Raiser: Eric Johnson Status: Specific resolution text required http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-24 Which wire did a message arrive on? Raiser: Sanjay Patil Status: Waiting for examples from Sanjay as per 20080717-4 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-25 Is it required that every implementation of binding.ws support the soap intent? Raiser: Anish Karmarkar Status: No current proposal. Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200807/msg00006.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-29 Properties on Bindings Raiser: Piotr Przybylski Status: No current proposal; defer until Policy 15 (External Attachment) is resolved http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-48 How are mayProvide intents on bindings satisfied Raiser: Ashok Malhotra Status: No current proposal; latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200810/msg00041.html 5. AOB anish: Scribe: Anish anish: Topic:Approval of the minutes from 1st-4th December virtual F2F http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/30294/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202008-12-01.doc anish: Minutes approved w/o anish: Topic: Actions anish: no change to the pending AIs anish: No new issues for today anish: Topic: Issue 11 anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-11 v"Formal" WSDL generation is unclear, ambiguous, and incomplete Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Eric Johnson, Anish Karmarkar Status: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200812/msg00054.html anish: Eric explains his response to Mike's comments anish: (the response is in the email at msg00054 in 200812) Mike Edwards: Intents are always a restriction anish: In section 4.2.2, what should be the normativeness of SOAP 1.1 binding or SOAP 1.2 binding Mike Edwards: if there are intents present - they DO restirct what can be done anish forgot i was the scribe Mike Edwards: easily done when you're involved in the debate anish: anish: i don't think we should restrict what a runtime should do outside of metadata anish: SimonH: perhaps anish should raise a separate issue anish: SimonN: we do need a clarification on section 4.1 anish: Action: Anish to open a new issue regarding the MUSTs in section 4.1 anish: SimonH: it should be easy wrt 4.1 to write a test for this. eg: send a soap 1.1 msg and make sure it succeed and send soap 1.2 msg and make sure it fails anish: Eric: SimonN had a proposal for restating a stmt, we didn't capture it anish: Eric: the last issue is about the NS on rpc/literal anish: ... the pattern defines a type and a NS is needed for the element anish: ... four options called out Simon Nash: Bindings for SOAP 1.1 MUST be provided and additional bindings MAY be provided, unless policy is applied that explicitly restricts this. anish: ... anish and I had a discussion on it and I agreed with him that we ought to say something anish: ... of the 4 options, 1st is to say nothing the other three options are to say something Simon Nash: take 2: Bindings for SOAP 1.1 MUST be provided and additional bindings MAY be provided, unless explicitly restricted by policy. anish: Eric: would be useful for using a NS associated with the binding for dispatching case anish: Anish: want to made sure that it is clear what messages to send to the service anish: ... if the generated wsdl is available and the clients get that then it should probably be ok, but there is also a usecase of unmanaged client code that has access to SCA metadata anish: Eric: implementations may want to do late binding and generate WSDL bidnings that contain additional policies etc anish: SimonH: is it possible that the portType may have additional information that restrict the choice of NS. Such as PT generated by JAX-WS anish ping anish: anish: very good question, doesn't jax-ws have annotations for this? anish: Eric: i should take an action to research that anish: Eric: we could say that unless there is additional metadata that tells you what to do use 'this' uri anish: Action: Eric to research whether JAX-WS portType generation restricts the NS used in rpc-literal anish: Topic: Issue 31 anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-31 What is a "plain name" for a connection factories or activation specs, and how is one distinguished from a JNDI name? Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Updated proposal in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200812/msg00027.html anish: Simon explains the issue anish: Proposal: anish: rename "name" attribute to "jndiName". Describe the jndiName attribute (in this example for a Destination) as follows: * binding.jms/destination/@jndiName the JNDI name of the JMS Destination that the binding uses to send or receive messages. The behaviour of this attribute is determined by the value of the @create attribute as follows: o If the @create attribute value is "always" then the @jndiName attribute is optional; if the destination cannot be created at the specified location then the SCA runtime MUST raise an error. If the @jndiName attribute is omitted this specification places no restriction on the JNDI location of the created resource. o If the @create attribute value is "ifnotexist" then the @jndiName attribute MUST specify the location of the possibly existing destination; if the destination does not exist at this location, but cannot be created there then the SCA runtime MUST raise an error. If the jndiName refers to an existing resource other than a JMS Destination of the specified type then the SCA runtime MUST raise an error. o If the @create attribute value is "never" then the @jndiName attribute MUST specify the location of the existing destination; If the destination is not present at the location, or the location refers to a resource other than a JMS Destination of the specified type then the SCA runtime MUST raise an error. The "plain name" referred to in the current spec is really there to be an attribute of the created resource. I think it makes more sense then for that to be amongst the properties that are children of the element, and not a standard attribute. Remove the sentences that say "This can either be a JNDI name or a plain connection factory name.". as they are currently describing elements, not the name attribute of those elements and so are just incorrect. Update the examples to rename the "name" attribute to "jndiName", and/or move to inside the resource element for creation examples as appropriate. Update the XML schema to rename "name" to "jndiName", and make the value type "anyURI". anish: Simon walks through the proposal anish: Eric: no comments, thanks for clarifying anish: Eric moves Bryan seconds to accept the proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200812/msg00027.html to resolve issue 31 anish: Motion passes w/o, issue 31 is resolved anish: next call will be the last one this year anish: SimonH: next week we'll have a discussion on our next f2f anish: Meeting adjourned
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