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Subject: Raw minutes for today.
[12:00] Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) Phone numbers: Austria = Vienna 026822056419 Belgium = Brussels 022901709 China Toll Free = China North 108007121722, China South 108001201722 Denmark = Copenhagen 32714982 France = Paris 0170994364, Lyon 0426840196, Marseilles 0488915310 Germany = Berlin 030726167296, Frankfurt 069710445413, Hamburg 040809020620, Munich 089244432767, Stuttgart 0711490813212, Dusseldorf 021154073845 India Toll Free = 0008001006703 Ireland = Dublin 014367612 Italy = Milan 0230413007, Rome 06452108288, Turin 01121792100 Japan = Tokyo 0357675037 Netherlands = Amsterdam 0207965349 Portugal = Lisbon 211200415 Russia Toll Free = 81080022074011 Spain = Barcelona: 934923140, Madrid: 917889793 Sweden = Stockholm 0850520404 Switzerland = Geneva 0225927186 UK Toll Free = 08003581667 UK Toll = London 02071542988, Manchester 01612500379, Birmingham 01212604587 USA Toll Free = 18665289390 USA Toll = 19543344789
[12:00] Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening Introductions Roll call Scribe assignment Top 10 on the scribe list: Nimish Hathalia TIBCO Software Inc. Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Khanderao Kand Oracle Corporation Bryan Aupperle IBM Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation Simon Nash Individual Piotr Przybylski IBM Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation Agenda bashing 2. Approval of the minutes from 29th January http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/30992/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202009-01-29.doc 3. Actions 20080717-6 [Vladimir Savchenko] Send out a proposal for how WSDL bindings and portTypes relate to each other. Target: 14th August 20080904-1 [Editors] update SOAP intent as per email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200808/msg00072.html 20081016-1 [Editors] Update JCA bindings spec to clarify there are no may provides or always provides intents 20090108-1 [Editors] Produce cd02 with all resolved issues incorporated by January 29th 20090122-1 [Simon Nash] Report back to bindings TC when JAVA-25 is resolved 20090129-1 [Simon Holdsworth] Include time to discuss the underlying concern behind 20080717-6 at the virtual F2F 20090129-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Update the proposed resolutions for 61, 62 and 63 to Incoroporate Anishs suggestion for conformance. 20090129-3 [Bryan Aupperle] Come up with a new proposal for BINDINGS-55 to reflect the discussion. 4. New Issues Please note, as per resolution on 9th October 2008, new issues received on the mailing list after Noon GMT 1st November can only be opened using the same voting rules as re-opening a closed issue (2/3 majority of a full TC vote) BINDINGS-67 JMS URI vs. binding attributes/elements http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-67 5. CD draft status Current status of updates to the bindings specs with a view to accepting second CD. 6. Open Issue Summary Discuss ownership/deferral of issues. Issues with proposed resolutions: 10 Issues with identified owner, no resolution: 12 Issues with no identified owner: 0 7. Open Issue Discussion Open issues with proposed resolutions: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-55 WSDL 2.0 support Raiser: Bryan Aupperle, owner: Bryan Aupperle Status: Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200902/msg00006.html Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200902/msg00017.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-57 Add a section documenting naming convention + be consistent on naming intents (binding.ws) Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Eric Johnson Status: Latest proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200902/msg00016.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-58 Add a section documenting naming convention + be consistent on naming intents (binding.jca) Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Eric Johnson Status: Latest proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200902/msg00016.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-59 Add a section documenting naming convention + be consistent on naming intents (binding.jms) Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Eric Johnson Status: Latest proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200902/msg00016.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-61 Conformance statement numbering Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Latest proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200902/msg00010.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-62 Conformance statement numbering Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Latest proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200902/msg00010.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-63 Conformance statement numbering Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Latest proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200902/msg00010.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-64 Remove conversation support from binding.ws Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Proposal in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-65 Remove references to SCA conversations from binding.jms Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Proposal in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-66 JMS message selector should not be specific to pub/sub Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: Proposal in issue Open issues with identified resolution owner: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-2 How should SCA callback semantics be carried over Web Services? Raiser: Simon Nash, owner: Anish Karmarkar Status: Proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200812/msg00043.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-21 Support for callback and conversation ID-s in bindings Raiser: Peter Peshev, owner: Simon Nash Status: Awaiting resolution of JAVA-25 http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-22 Bindings specifications should provide exemplary Implementations for Callbacks and Conversations Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Piotr Przybylski Status: No proposed resolution Notes: JCA specific, remove mention of conversations http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-23 @wsdlElement definition needs clarification on "equivalent" and use of WSDL 2.0 constructs Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Simon Nash Status: Specific resolution text required http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-25 Is it required that every implementation of binding.ws support the soap intent? Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Anish Karmarkar Status: No current proposal. Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200807/msg00006.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-29 Properties on Bindings Raiser: Piotr Przybylski, owner: Piotr Przybylski Status: No current proposal http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-39 JMS callback specification does not cater for callbacks using other bindings Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner Simon Holdsworth Status: Complete resolution proposal required http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-43 Update binding.ws spec for wireFormat/operationSelection elements Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Anish Karmarkar Status: Specific resolution text required. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-45 Update binding.jca spec for wireFormat/operationSelection elements Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Piotr Przybylski Status: Specific resolution text required. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-48 How are mayProvide intents on bindings satisfied Raiser: Ashok Malhotra, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: No current proposal; latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200810/msg00041.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-54 Endpoint URI algorithm is unclear Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Eric Johnson Status: Initial proposal in JIRA. http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60 JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth Status: No proposal 7. AOB
[12:03] Bryan Aupperle: Scribe: Bryan Aupperle
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: Meeting is quorate at 76%
[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Approval of the minutes from 29th January
[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Minutes approved w/o
[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Action Items
[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: 20080717-6 [Vladimir Savchenko] Send out a proposal for how WSDL bindings and portTypes relate to each other. Target: 14th August - Pending
[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: 20080904-1 [Editors] update SOAP intent as per email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200808/msg00072.html - Pending
[12:10] Bryan Aupperle: 20081016-1 [Editors] Update JCA bindings spec to clarify there are no may provides or always provides intents - Done
[12:10] Bryan Aupperle: 20090108-1 [Editors] Produce cd02 with all resolved issues incorporated by January 29th - Later in call
[12:10] Bryan Aupperle: 20090122-1 [Simon Nash] Report back to bindings TC when JAVA-25 is resolved - Pending
[12:10] Bryan Aupperle: 20090129-1 [Simon Holdsworth] Include time to discuss the underlying concern behind 20080717-6 at the virtual F2F - Pending
[12:10] Bryan Aupperle: 20090129-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Update the proposed resolutions for 61, 62 and 63 to Incoroporate Anishs suggestion for conformance. - Done
[12:11] Bryan Aupperle: 20090129-3 [Bryan Aupperle] Come up with a new proposal for BINDINGS-55 to reflect the discussion. - Done
[12:11] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: BINDINGS-67
[12:11] Bryan Aupperle: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-67
[12:12] Bryan Aupperle: Simon H. reviews the issue
[12:16] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Mike, second Piotr - Open issue 67
[12:16] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion passes w/o
[12:17] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: CD draft status
[12:18] Bryan Aupperle: AI open against editors to produce potential drafts for CD02. Updates have been sent for JMS and JCA.
[12:19] anish i think martin meant 33 'resolved' issues not 33 'applied' issues
[12:19] Bryan Aupperle: Question is it appropriate to push forward to a second set of CDs?
[12:19] anish never mind, got my status confused
[12:20] Bryan Aupperle: Martin notes there are 33 applied issues across the 3 specs.
[12:22] Bryan Aupperle: Bryan: Would it be possible to have this as first item on F2F agenda?
[12:23] Bryan Aupperle: Simon H. will prepare a WS draft.
[12:24] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Issue 55
[12:24] Bryan Aupperle: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-55
[12:24] Bryan Aupperle: Status: Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200902/msg00006.html Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200902/msg00017.html
[12:29] Bryan Aupperle: Simon N. notes that "(WSDL 1.1)" on line 87 can be removed.
[12:31] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: There should be a global MUST statement about WSDL 1.1.
[12:33] Bryan Aupperle: Simon N. There should be a global statement that all references to WSDL are references to WSDL 1.1.
[12:34] Bryan Aupperle: Simon N. A MUST statement that prohibits WSDL 2.0 seems a bit drastic.
[12:36] Bryan Aupperle: Anish SCA extensibility allows people to define new bindings types for things like WSDL 2.0, WADL, etc. So it is appropriate to restrict binding.ws
[12:38] Bryan Aupperle: Mike binding.ws itself provides extensibility, so it is reasonable that adds elements/attributs that could accept a WSDL 2.0 document.
[12:43] Bryan Aupperle: Simon N. The degree of overlap guides the appropriate extension approach.
[12:45] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: Proposal says /@wsdli:wsdlLocation MUST point to WSDL 1.1. But a non-conforming implementation could point to a 2.0 document.
[12:45] Bryan Aupperle: Anish Why is wsdlElement not restricted?
[12:46] Bryan Aupperle: Simon H. Add MUST restrictions to each option of wsdlElement.
[12:47] Mike Edwards: one thing to point out is that the form of expression in the fragments like: #wsdl.port(foo) is actually formally a WSDL 2.0 form
[12:47] Mike Edwards: there is an equivalent form defined for WSDL 1.1, but it is something like: #wsdl11.port(foo) !!
[12:48] Mike Edwards: so it seems odd to use the current expression forms for WSDL 1.1 documents....
[12:51] Bryan Aupperle: Anish Reviews why we chose to restrict SCA 1.1 to WSDL 1.1 and relates this to proper extensibility choice.
[12:53] Martin C: extensions cannot contradict the normative MUSTS and MUST NOTS
[12:55] Mike Edwards: I have no idea how you could ever enforce that
[12:55] Mike Edwards: exactly
[12:58] Bryan Aupperle: Discussion about global restriction vs specific restrictions.
[13:00] anish: mike, the WSDL 2.0 component URI are ported to apply to WSDL 1.1 as well, just as wsdlLocation is
[13:02] Eric Johnson: Motion text: I move that the TC assert a direction for the resolution of issue-55, by add normative statements to the @wsdlElement and other attributes as appropriate such that they can only point to WSDL 1.1 constructs.
[13:03] Bryan Aupperle: Simon N. seconds
[13:04] Bryan Aupperle: Anish advocates adding a normative statement to the binding element itself.
[13:05] Bryan Aupperle: Eric moves to table the motions (Dave seconds).
[13:05] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: AOB
[13:05] Bryan Aupperle: Straggler role.
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