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Subject: Re: [sca-bindings] Issue 2 proposal v12


Mike Edwards wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> Comment inline
> 
> Yours,  Mike.
> 
> Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
> Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
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> 
> From: 	Simon Nash <oasis@cjnash.com>
> To: 	sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org
> Date: 	03/04/2009 15:05
> Subject: 	Re: [sca-bindings] Issue 2 proposal v12
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> David Booz wrote:
>  > Thanks Anish,
>  >
>  > I agree that the URI (and the assertion NS) are independent, and in no
>  > way did I intend to mean that either of them be kept in sync with future
>  > assembly namespace URI changes. It clear that they have independent
>  > lifecycles from Assembly NS and from each other. It was purely a
>  > suggestion and I'm fine either way. For someone with an organized mind
>  > like myself, it looks odd to start out with different URIs, but maybe
>  > that's just me.
>  >
>  > Dave Booz
>  > STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture
>  > Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC
>  > "Distributed objects first, then world hunger"
>  > Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093
>  > e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com
>  >
>  > Inactive hide details for Anish Karmarkar ---04/02/2009 07:11:01
>  > PM---Thanks Dave. I will send a new version (v13) shortly afteAnish
>  > Karmarkar ---04/02/2009 07:11:01 PM---Thanks Dave. I will send a new
>  > version (v13) shortly after incorporating your and
>  >
>  >
>  > From:                
>  > Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>
>  >
>  > To:                
>  > sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org
>  >
>  > Date:                
>  > 04/02/2009 07:11 PM
>  >
>  > Subject:                
>  > Re: [sca-bindings] Issue 2 proposal v12
>  >
>  > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Thanks Dave.
>  > I will send a new version (v13) shortly after incorporating your and
>  > SimonN's changes.
>  >
>  > Responses to your word comments:
>  >
>  > 1) DAB: These sentences just don’t read correctly, can we start them
>  > with ‘If’ ?
>  >
>  > I have made that (added 'if') change.
>  > I think the whole paragraph can be made better (we can use if-then-else
>  > and remove a 'MUST'), but at this stage I would rather not make any 
> changes.
>  >
>  > 2) DAB: Should we update this to match the current namespace?
>  >
>  > This comment is for the wsa:RelatesTo/@RelationshipType attribute value
>  > URI. This URI value has nothing to do with our NS URI, in principle. We
>  > *could* make it the same as our NS URI. It would be easier to remember
>  > just one. But I don't think we should change it in the future if the NS
>  > URI changes but the semantics of the protocol don't (or vice versa).
>  > This may lead to some confusion (if people expect them to be in sync),
>  > if the NS URI changes in the future. Furthermore, I would rather see a
>  > URI that is completely under the control of this TC rather than the
>  > assembly TC. Overall I tend to lean towards saying that we should keep
>  > this URI independent of our NS.
>  >
>  > 3) DAB: How can ‘right after’ ever work?
>  >
>  > You're correct, this is a problem. It is important for the listener case
>  > that the listener be ready before or at the same time the forward
>  > request is made. In the listener case, a connection failure may be
>  > treated by the service as fatal. For the polling case 'right after' is
>  > ok. I have changed the words for the listener case to say: 'before or at
>  > the same time'.
>  >
> "At the same time" seems to be logically (or logistically) impossible.
> With most computers, one action occurs either before or after
> another action.  If actions truly do occur at the same time, it
> would be by amazing coincidence rather than deliberate intention.
> 
>   Simon
> *<mje>*
> *I'm struggling to see why we are making such a meal of this.  I think I 
> said it clearly on*
> *the last call that the requirement is:*
> 
> *The callback endpoint must be in existence no later than the point where*
> *the client application code has invoked a forward operation on the 
> reference and before*
> *the binding code transmits this invocation on the wire to the service.*
> 
+1 for this wording.

   Simon

> *The distinction between the application code and the binding 
> implementation puts*
> *the responsibility cleanly onto the binding implementation code.*
> *</mje>*
> 
>  > 4) DAB: We should move to the 200903 schema level that assembly is on.
>  >
>  > This refers to the NS for the policy assertion.
>  > In most, though not all, I expect this assertion to be used independent
>  > of the composite file (in WSDLs/external attachments). I don't have a
>  > strong opinion on this, but a mild preference to keep it independent of
>  > the main assembly NS. I see the use of this assertion on the edges of
>  > the domain and for interoperability across vendors/clients. Having the
>  > ability to evolve this without the need to rev assembly NS (or vice
>  > versa) would be good.
>  >
>  > -Anish
>  > --
>  >
>  > David Booz wrote:
>  >  > Comments in this document. Turn off all reviewers but me to see 
> all the
>  >  > changes, some are editorial where I changed the text directly 
> instead of
>  >  > making Word comments.
>  >  >
>  >  > /(See attached file: SCA-bindings-issue2-proposal-v12_dab.doc)/
>  >  >
>  >  > Dave Booz
>  >  > STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture
>  >  > Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC
>  >  > "Distributed objects first, then world hunger"
>  >  > Poughkeepsie, NY (845)-435-6093 or 8-295-6093
>  >  > e-mail:booz@us.ibm.com
>  >  >
>  >  > Inactive hide details for Anish Karmarkar ---04/02/2009 02:01:10
>  >  > AM---Attached. I believe I included all the changes agreed to Anish
>  >  > Karmarkar ---04/02/2009 02:01:10 AM---Attached. I believe I 
> included all
>  >  > the changes agreed to from last week.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > From:
>  >  > Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>
>  >  >
>  >  > To:
>  >  > OASIS Bindings <sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org>
>  >  >
>  >  > Date:
>  >  > 04/02/2009 02:01 AM
>  >  >
>  >  > Subject:
>  >  > [sca-bindings] Issue 2 proposal v12
>  >  >
>  >  > 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > Attached.
>  >  > I believe I included all the changes agreed to from last week.
>  >  >
>  >  > The only quibble that I have with the wordings is that it talks about
>  >  > 'binding on the reference-side'. Since this is expected to be used at
>  >  > the edges of the domain, it is preferable to not talk about 
> 'references'
>  >  > but instead say something like 'binding on the client-side' or 'the
>  >  > invoker's binding'.
>  >  >
>  >  > -Anish
>  >  > --
>  >  > [attachment "SCA-bindings-issue2-proposal-v12.doc" deleted by David
>  >  > Booz/Poughkeepsie/IBM]
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