Re: [sca-bindings] Re: Groups - oasis - Ballot "SCA service wsdlElementpointing to a WSDL service" has closed

[David Booz <booz@us.ibm.com>]

+1

Dave Booz
STSM, BPM and SCA Architecture
Co-Chair OASIS SCA-Policy TC and SCA-J TC
"Distributed objects first, then world hunger"
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Mike Edwards ---04/15/2009 09:05:18 AM---Folks, Disallowing this case now does still allow the potential to relax the

From:	Mike Edwards <mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com>
To:	"OASIS Bindings" <sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org>
Date:	04/15/2009 09:05 AM
Subject:	Re: [sca-bindings] Re: Groups - oasis - Ballot "SCA service wsdlElement pointing to a WSDL service" has closed

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Folks, 

Disallowing this case now does still allow the potential to relax the restriction at some future point, should the 
function prove to be valuable. 

Allowing anything now means that it cannot be withdrawn in future without breaking things. 

So at this stage I think that disallowing is the better option. 


Yours,  Mike.

Strategist - Emerging Technologies, SCA & SDO.
Co Chair OASIS SCA Assembly TC.
IBM Hursley Park, Mail Point 146, Winchester, SO21 2JN, Great Britain.
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Email:  mike_edwards@uk.ibm.com

From:	Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM@IBMGB
To:	Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>
Cc:	Eric Johnson <eric@tibco.com>, OASIS Bindings <sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org>
Date:	15/04/2009 13:56
Subject:	Re: [sca-bindings] Re: Groups - oasis - Ballot "SCA service wsdlElement pointing to a WSDL service" has closed

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OK, ignoring the details of the count, it looks like we should either disallow this case, or if there is some compelling scenario that requires it, that should mean that all ports must be provided. 

Regards, Simon 

Simon Holdsworth
STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings TC Chair
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Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>

09/04/2009 18:53

To	Eric Johnson <eric@tibco.com>
cc	OASIS Bindings <sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org>
Subject	Re: [sca-bindings] Re: Groups - oasis - Ballot "SCA service wsdlElement pointing to a WSDL service" has closed

I had similar concerns but since this was a strawpoll didn't ask for an STV.

My further complain about OASIS KAVI is:
The option 'other' didn't get counted.
It truncates the responses so I can tell what people voted for (three of 
the options start with 'We should allow this case'). Fortunately, only 
one of those three got votes -- so by process of elimination I can 
figure out what it was.
Looks like SimonN voted for 'other' with an explanation. But I can't see 
the explanation. So potentially, Simon could have said something that 
changed peoples mind and altered the result.

-Anish
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Eric Johnson wrote:
> Anyone know who should be informed that the ballot mailer cannot count?
> 
> workgroup_mailer@lists.oasis-open.org wrote:
>> OASIS Service Component Architecture / Bindings (SCA-Bindings) TC member,
>>
>> A ballot presented to OASIS Service Component Architecture / Bindings (SCA-Bindings) TC has closed.
>> The text of this closed ballot is as follows:
>> ---
>> "SCA service wsdlElement pointing to a WSDL service"
>> Do you think we should define the behaviour of wsdlElement on an SCA service pointing to a WSDL service, and if so, what should the behaviour be?
>>
>> - We should disallow this case
>> - We should allow this case but say nothing
>> - We should allow this case and require the runtime to provide at least one of the ports, possibly more
>> - We should allow this case and require the runtime to provide all of the matching ports
>> - Other
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Quick Summary of Voting Results: 
>>  - We should disallow this case received 9 Votes
>>  - We should allow this case but say nothing received 0 Votes
>>  - We should allow this case and require the runtime to provide at least one of the ports, possibly more received 0 Votes
>>  - We should allow this case and require the runtime to provide all of the matching ports received 6 Votes
>>
>>  15 of 17 eligible voters cast their vote before the deadline.
>>   
> If you actually look at the ballot page, only ten people voted:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/ballot.php?id=1674
> 
> Since we were allowed to vote for two options, that apparently
> hopelessly confuses the balloting system.
> 
> Of the ten people who voted, nine voted for "we should disallow this case."
> 
> I'm not sure if the "may vote for two" option was intended as "instant
> runoff", but if it were, then that suggests that people like myself who
> only voted for one item "lost" a vote.  Arguably, if I only voted for
> one option, does that mean that my vote should count twice?  If so, you
> could tabulate it as:
> 14 votes for "we should disallow".
> 6 votes for "allow, but match all ports"
> 
> Seems like another demonstration that voting systems are unavoidably biased.
> 
> -Eric.
>> Voting results for all closed ballots are available on the sca-bindings eVote Archive at:
>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/ballot_archive.php
>>
>> Thank you,
>> OASIS Open Administration
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