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Subject: Re: [sca-bindings] Re: CD02 packages for SCA Bindings specs readyfor publication


Simon Holdsworth wrote:
> 
> I still don't really see the issue with additional symlinks for the new 
> form of the latest URLs - we're only talking 3 links, and the old forms 
> could be pointed at the new forms as a one-off operation.
> 
> However if there's no way that can be done, it looks like we are stuck 
> with our choice of "latest" url file name for the lifetime of SCA 1.1, 
> which is unfortunate.
> 
> That leaves us with a couple of choices:
> 
> 1) Just use the old "latest" URLs; Update the CD02 packages to use to 
> "old" form of the latest URL, and just keep using that.
> 2) Stop using the new file names altogether; update the CD02 packages to 
> change all file names to the old forms, and post updated cd02-rev3 
> documents with the old forms of the file names.
> 
> 1) is least effort but does mean that the latest URLs are not of the 
> same form as the current ones.  Lets discuss this on Thursday and agree 
> what the TC wants to do with this.
> 

The different in efforts isn't much. I do like the consistency provided 
by option (2).

-Anish
--

> Regards, Simon
> 
> Simon Holdsworth
> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings TC Chair
> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK
> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898
> Internet - Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com
> 
> 
> *Mary McRae <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*
> 
> 28/05/2009 16:34
> 
> 	
> To
> 	Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM@IBMGB
> cc
> 	Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>, 
> sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject
> 	Re: [sca-bindings] Re: CD02 packages for SCA Bindings specs ready for 
> publication
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
>   The URLs for latest are not intended to be changed once established. I 
> maintain a single set of symlinks for each specification.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 28, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Simon Holdsworth wrote:
> 
> 
> Mary, what is the issue with having both forms of "latest" URL working?
> 
> With CD02, we have the following files that are published, for example 
> for binding.jms:
> 
> Existing URLs for published CD01 version:
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-cd01.html_ 
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-cd01.doc_ 
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-cd01.pdf_ 
> 
> 
> Within those documents, the latest version URLs:
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec.html_ 
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec.doc_ 
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec.pdf_ 
> 
> 
> Requested URLs for published CD02 version:
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02.html_ 
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02.doc_ 
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02.pdf_ 
> 
> 
> Requested latest URLs:
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec.html_ 
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec.doc_ 
> _
> __http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec.pdf_ 
> 
> 
> So in order to support the new spelling of the latest URLs, I agree that 
> we should not change the existing documents.  That means that we need to:
> 
> 1) make the existing latest URLs point at the CD02 versions of the 
> documents.   I assume you would have to do that anyway.
> 2) create new latest URLs that point at the CD02 versions of the 
> documents.   This does entail some duplication of work if it not 
> possible to redirect the URLs in 1) to these as a one-off process.
> 
> Regards, Simon
> 
> Simon Holdsworth
> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings TC Chair
> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK
> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898
> Internet - _Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com_ 
> <mailto:Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com>
> 
> *Mary McRae <**_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_* 
> <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>*>*
> 
> 28/05/2009 15:16
> 
> 	
> To
> 	Anish Karmarkar <_Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com_ 
> <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com>>
> cc
> 	Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM@IBMGB, _sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org_ 
> <mailto:sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Subject
> 	Re: [sca-bindings] Re: CD02 packages for SCA Bindings specs ready for 
> publication
> 
> 
> 
> 	
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Anish,
> 
>  It has nothing to do with Kavi; these files are in a separate web  
> space. It's an IT decision / access / management issue.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 28, 2009, at 1:01 AM, Anish Karmarkar wrote:
> 
>  > Mary McRae wrote:
>  >> Hi Simon,
>  >>  I'm sorry - it looks like that never made it into my queue. My  
>  >> apologies!
>  >>  We can't change the name of the latest version once established -  
>  >> that breaks the reasoning behind them. We never edit files once  
>  >> they've been uploaded, and we have no idea how many people may have  
>  >> downloaded the file and will expect the link to work going forward.  
>  >> We also don't support redirects.
>  >
>  > Why not?
>  > Is that a limitation of KAVI or is it a OASIS policy.
>  > Not supporting redirects on the Web seems very strange to me.
>  >
>  > -Anish
>  > --
>  >
>  >>  It's okay that the current filename and the latest version  
>  >> filename are slightly different from my perspective; in all  
>  >> likelihood people are clicking on the link and not paying too much  
>  >> attention to the filename. The new filename doesn't seem to be that  
>  >> different from the old one that should someone have downloaded the  
>  >> file, they would be misled by the naming.
>  >>  Let me know if you want me to edit the files or if you will  
>  >> provide updated copies for uploading.
>  >> Regards,
>  >> Mary
>  >> Mary P McRae
>  >> Director, Standards Development
>  >> Technical Committee Administrator
>  >> OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society
>  >> email: _mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ 
> <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> <_mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_>  
>  >> web: _www.oasis-open.org_ <http://www.oasis-open.org/> 
> <_http://www.oasis-open.org_ <http://www.oasis-open.org/>>
>  >> twitter: fiberartisan  #oasisopen
>  >> phone: 1.603.232.9090
>  >> Standards are like parachutes: they work best when they're open.
>  >> On May 22, 2009, at 5:17 AM, Simon Holdsworth wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> Mary,
>  >>>
>  >>> I sent this note some time ago, but did not get a response, and I  
>  >>> can't see any of the updated versions available on the OASIS site.
>  >>>
>  >>> I'd appreciate it if you could let me know when these updated  
>  >>> versions of the specifications will be published.
>  >>>
>  >>> Thanks, Simon
>  >>>
>  >>> Simon Holdsworth
>  >>> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings  
>  >>> TC Chair
>  >>> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK
>  >>> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898
>  >>> Internet - _Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com_ 
> <mailto:Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com> <_mailto:Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com_
>  >>> >
>  >>> ----- Forwarded by Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM on 22/05/2009 10:16 -----
>  >>> *Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM*
>  >>>
>  >>> 02/03/2009 11:27
>  >>>
>  >>>                  
>  >>> To
>  >>>                  <_mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_ 
> <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> <_mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org_>>
>  >>> cc
>  >>>                  
>  >>> Subject
>  >>>                  CD02 packages for SCA Bindings specs ready for 
> publication
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>                  
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> Mary,
>  >>>
>  >>> I have prepared the following packages for publication containing  
>  >>> the CD02 versions of the SCA bindings specs, and would appreciate  
>  >>> it if you could publish them on the OASIS website:
>  >>>
>  >>> 
> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/31480/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02.zip_
>  >>>
>  >>> 
> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/31479/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02.zip_
>  >>>
>  >>> 
> _http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/31478/sca-binding-jca-1.1-spec-cd02.zip_
>  >>>
>  >>> The only specific note I have is that we changed the naming of  
>  >>> these documents, so that the latest link on the old cd01 pages,  
>  >>> which currently point to (for example):
>  >>>
>  >>> 
> _http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-wsbinding-1.1-spec.html_
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> now need to point to:
>  >>>
>  >>> 
> _http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec.html_ 
> 
>  >>> 
>  <_http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-wsbinding-1.1-spec.html_ 
> 
>  >>> >
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> I guess that can be done by redirecting the 3 URLs or modifying  
>  >>> the 3 cd01 HTML pages for WS, JMS and JCA bindings.
>  >>>
>  >>> The cd02 packages all point to this latest URL.
>  >>>
>  >>> Thanks, Simopn
>  >>>
>  >>> Simon Holdsworth
>  >>> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings  
>  >>> TC Chair
>  >>> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK
>  >>> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898
>  >>> Internet - _Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com_ 
> <mailto:Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com> <_mailto:Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com_
>  >>> >
>  >>>
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