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Subject: Raw chat log of 2009-06-23 telecon
Simon Holdsworth: Agenda: Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening Introductions Roll call Scribe assignment Top of the scribe list: Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Simon Nash Individual Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation David Booz IBM Bryan Aupperle IBM Piotr Przybylski IBM Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Agenda bashing 2. Approval of the minutes from 18th June http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33009/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202009-06-18.doc 3. Actions 20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases 20090528-1 [Mike Edwards] Raise a PR issues against Policy intent algorithm point 7 to address the SOAP 1.1 defaulting use case 20090604-1 [Editors] Publish updated CD02 revisions using the agreed naming 4. New Issues Please note, as per resolution on 9th October 2008, new issues received on the mailing list after Noon GMT 1st November can only be opened using the same voting rules as re-opening a closed issue (2/3 majority of a full TC vote) http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-79 BWS20016 should not be normative Proposed resolution in issue, with update in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00067.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-80 binding.jms normative definition of operation selector behaviour Proposed resolution in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-81 JMS binding problems with normative statements around message exchange Proposed resolution in issue http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-82 binding.ws has unwanted normative statement about providing additional metadata with web services binding Proposed resolution in issue 5. Open Issue and PRD Schedule Public review draft available for TC comments June 11th (pending updates for final must have issues) Remaining must have issues resolved by June 23rd Public review draft vote June 25th Test assertions complete one month beyond PRD - July 30th Test cases one month after that - August 27th Current CD03 candidates Web Services: DOC: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33039/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev5.doc PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33040/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev5.pdf Diff from CD02: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/32900/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev3-diff.pdf Diff rev3 to rev 4: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/32975/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02-rev3-rev4-diff.pdf JMS: DOC: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33010/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02-rev4.doc PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33011/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02-rev4.pdf Diff from CD02: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00106.html JCA: DOC: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33012/sca-binding-jca-1.1-spec-cd02-rev3.doc PDF: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33013/sca-binding-jca-1.1-spec-cd02-rev3.pdf Diff from CD02: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00109.html Issues with proposed resolutions: 5 Issues with identified owner, no resolution: 0 Issues with no identified owner: 0 Survey outlook for issues with no proposed resolution (marked with * in this list) Anish Karmarkar: 2 (pri 2) Simon Holdsworth: 48 (pri 3) David Booz: 76 (pri 1), 77 (pri 1), 78 (pri 1) 6. Open Issue Discussion http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-76 binding.ws schema uses ##any instead of ##other Raiser: David Booz, owner: David Booz Priority: to be assigned Status: Proposed resolution in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00084.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-77 binding.jms schema uses for schema attribute extensibility Raiser: David Booz, owner: David Booz Priority: to be assigned Status: Proposed resolution in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00086.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-78 binding.jca schema uses ##any instead of ##other Raiser: David Booz, owner: David Booz Priority: to be assigned. Status: Proposed resolution in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00085.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-2 How should SCA callback semantics be carried over Web Services? Raiser: Simon Nash, owner: Anish Karmarkar Priority: 2 Status: Latest proposal: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00074.html Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00077.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-48 How are mayProvide intents on bindings satisfied Raiser: Ashok Malhotra, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: 3 Status: Proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00005.html Latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200903/msg00059.html 7. AOB ------------------------------------------------------------------- *Revolving list of scribes* Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Simon Nash Individual Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation David Booz IBM Bryan Aupperle IBM Piotr Przybylski IBM Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Simon Nash: hi. i'm not able to get into the conf call. Simon Holdsworth: Ah. was wondering why I'm the only one on it... Simon Nash: i am dialing the 0207 UK number, and I get an error message when I enter the passcode Simon Holdsworth: can you not use 08003581667 Simon Nash: no... on my mobile that costs a fortune Martin C: im dialled in to the usual number and im watign for a moderator! Simon Nash: the 0207 worked for me previously Simon Holdsworth: OK, I'll try redialling Dave Booz: i'm waiting for moderator also Simon Holdsworth: Mike E just joined OK...? Martin C: i diallled the us free phone from skype Martin C: a mid-lantic split? Dave Booz: i'll redial Simon Holdsworth: Are people getting on OK now? Dave Booz: just redialed...no joy Bryan Aupperle: Still waiting on moderator... Eric Johnson: I'm still waiting on the moderator as well. Simon Nash: sorry about the noise.. i will need to find somewhere quieter Simon Holdsworth: can ppl please try to redial if they are not in now Bryan Aupperle: That did not help. Martin C: i had to dial the uk toll free Eric Johnson: I got in by using the US "toll" number. Simon Holdsworth: Bryan people are getting in using the non-toll free US number Simon Nash: now it's asking me to call tech support Mike Edwards: we could switch to the Assembly number if you like Simon Nash: retried a few times, still no joy Simon Holdsworth: Dave are you on now? Dave Booz: i'm in with the toll number Simon Nash: i am somewhere quieter now, but can't get in Mike Edwards: let me fetch the details Simon Holdsworth: Please switch to the Assembly number Mike Edwards: Dial-in: AUSTRALIA 1-800-880-502 AUSTRIA 0800-999-852 BELGIUM 0800-4-8476 CHINA A 10800-712-1196 CHINA B 10800-120-1196 DENMARK 8088-6506 FINLAND 0-800-1-12603 FRANCE 080-511-1518 GERMANY 0800-101-4261 GREECE 00800-12-6178 HONG KONG 800-964-131 HUNGARY 06-800-15557 INDIA 000-800-852-1214 INDONESIA 001-803-011-3507 IRELAND 1800-992-123 ISRAEL 1-800-9214065 ITALY 800-985-431 JAPAN 00531-12-1143 MALAYSIA 1-800-80-8109 NETHERLANDS 0800-023-1708 NEW ZEALAND 0800-443-787 NORWAY 800-11873 POLAND 00-800-1211129 PORTUGAL 8008-12250 SINGAPORE 800-120-4059 SOUTH AFRICA 080-09-93405 SOUTH KOREA 00798-14800-6312 SPAIN 800-099-376 SWEDEN 0200-887-682 SWITZERLAND 0800-000-248 TAIWAN 00801-137-553 THAILAND 001-800-1206-65088 UNITED KINGDOM 0800-279-9395 USA 866-203-1705 PARTICIPANT PASSCODE: 338256 Simon Nash: ok will do Dave Booz: Mike's hold music is better Mike Edwards: Simon Holdsworth: OK, so people dialled in to Assembly number now? Mike Edwards: you get a higher level of culture with Assembly Simon Nash: on mute now Martin C wishes telcos would get into the digitial age Eric Johnson: (tinfoil hat) They have - they're just dedicating more circuits to monitoring us Simon Nash: sorry i can't today anish: Scribe: anish anish: Topic: Agenda bashing anish: Agenda approved anish: Topic: Approval of the minutes from 18th June anish: Minutes located at http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/33009/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202009-06-18.doc approved w/o anish: Topic: AI review anish: no change to the AI list status anish: Need to revert the names of the specs to the old names anish: Topic: new issue 79 anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-79 BWS20016 should not be normative Proposed resolution in issue, with update in http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00067.html anish: SimonN moves Dave seconds to open issue 79 anish: Motion approved w/o anish: Resolution: Issue 79 opened anish: Topic: Issue 79 discussion anish: SimonN moves Dave seconds to resolve 79 with proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00067.html anish: motion approved w/o anish: Resolution: Issue 79 resolved with proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00067.html anish: Topic: new issue 80 anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-80 binding.jms normative definition of operation selector behaviour Proposed resolution in issue anish: Bryan moves Eric seconds to open issue 80 anish: motion approved w/o anish: Resolution: Issue 80 opened anish: Topic: new issue 81 anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-81 JMS binding problems with normative statements around message exchange Proposed resolution in issue anish: Bryan moves Piotr seconds to open issue 81 anish: motion approved w/o anish: Resolution: new issue 81 opened anish: Topic: new issue 82 anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-82 binding.ws has unwanted normative statement about providing additional metadata with web services binding Proposed resolution in issue anish: Eric moves MikeE seconds to open issue 82 anish: motion approved w/o anish: Resolution: new issue 82 is opened anish: Topic: Issue 82 anish: proposal in jira -- Change the wording to: "SCA runtime implementations can provide additional metadata that is associated with a web service binding." anish: MikeE moves Eric seconds to resolve issue 82 with proposal in Jira anish: motion approved w/o anish: Resolution: issue 82 is resolved with proposal in Jira anish: Topic: issue 76 anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-76 binding.ws schema uses ##any instead of ##other Raiser: David Booz, owner: David Booz Priority: to be assigned Status: Proposed resolution in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00084.html anish: SimonN: section 2.8 duplicates the resolution of 79 Simon Nash: can we merge 2.8 and 2.5? anish: MikeE: you can replace everything in 2.5 with 2.8 except for the last sentence in 2.5 Simon Nash: i think Dave's suggestion is good anish: Dave: move the 2nd sentence in 2.8 and move it before the example in 2.5 Mike Edwards: I didn't quite say that Anish! anish sorry i know. i think dave captured what you said. no? Eric Johnson: To summarize the update, change section 2.5 to read: SCA runtime implementations can provide additional metadata that is associated with a web service binding. [BWS20031] This is done by providing extension points in the schema; refer to Appendix A, Web Services XML Binding Schema for the locations of these extension points. This can be used for example to enable JAX-WS [JAX-WS] handlers to be executed as part of the target component dispatch. The specification of such metadata is SCA runtime-specific and is outside of the scope of this document. Simon Holdsworth: Need to remove [BWS20031] from that... Simon Holdsworth: assuming it includes the recently resolved issue Eric Johnson: Drat. anish: simonN: the wireformat and operationSelector substitution points are described in two places. Section 2.0 and section 2.11 anish: simonN: remove section 2.11 it is already covered by the 2 bullets in section 2 Eric Johnson: Summarizing changes: Amend Dave's proposal with the following: Change section 2.5 to read: SCA runtime implementations can provide additional metadata that is associated with a web service binding. This is done by providing extension points in the schema; refer to Appendix A, Web Services XML Binding Schema for the locations of these extension points. This can be used for example to enable JAX-WS [JAX-WS] handlers to be executed as part of the target component dispatch. The specification of such metadata is SCA runtime-specific and is outside of the scope of this document. Remove proposed section 2.8 Remove proposed section 2.11 Simon Nash: soundsa good anish thx eric anish: Dave moves Eric seconds to resolve issue 76 with 'summarizing changes' above anish: motion approved w/o anish: Resolution: issue 76 resolved with 'Summarizing changes' in the chat above anish: Topic: issue 77 anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-77 binding.jms schema uses for schema attribute extensibility Raiser: David Booz, owner: David Booz Priority: to be assigned Status: Proposed resolution in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00086.html anish: MikeE: provide pointers in section 3 (where it talks about wireFormat/operationSelection) to section 4 anish: dave moves MikeE seconds to resolve 77 with proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00086.html with one ed change pointed out by MikeE (forward references to section 4) anish: motion approved w/o anish: Resolution: Issue 77 resolved with proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00086.html with one ed change pointed out by MikeE (forward references to section 4) anish: Topic: issue 78 anish: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-78 binding.jca schema uses ##any instead of ##other Raiser: David Booz, owner: David Booz Priority: to be assigned. Status: Proposed resolution in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00085.html anish: Dave moves Piotr seconds to resolve issue 78 with proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00085.html anish: motion approved w/o Mike Edwards: Come on. lets have a go at #2 anish: Resolution: issue 78 resolved with proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00085.html anish: Topic: issue 2 Simon Holdsworth: Latest proposal email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00125.html Simon Nash: go for it anish: Anish moves Simon seconds to resolve issue 2 with proposal at http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200906/msg00125.html anish: s/Simon/SimonN/ anish: motion expires because of EOB anish: EOB
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