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Subject: Re: [sca-bindings] Re: CD02 packages for SCA Bindings specs ready for publication
Hi Simon, Neither of the approaches are possible. The latest URLs that have been established must remain for the life of the document. Regards, Mary Mary P McRae Director, Standards Development Technical Committee Administrator OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society email: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org web: www.oasis-open.org twitter: fiberartisan #oasisopen phone: 1.603.232.9090 Standards are like parachutes: they work best when they're open. On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Simon Nash wrote: > Mary, > The Bindings TC discussed the naming issue and has decided to revert > to the previous names in the short term so that the process of getting > to public review can be expedited and is not blocked on the naming > issue. The Bindings TC also decided to continue to pursue the > adoption > of its previously agreed new naming convention with OASIS TC Admin. > > The TC would like to begin publishing new versions of its documents > using the new naming convention and new form of URLs as soon as > possible. For documents that have already been published using the > existing naming convention, the TC would like to leave these in place > at their current URLs. > > For each of the affected documents, the TC would like to create > new "latest" URLs that match the new naming conventions. For the > current "latest" URLs, there are two options: > > 1) For each of the affected documents, use an HTTP redirect from > the current "latest" URL to the new "latest" URL. These redirects > can be set up as a one-time operation, so that as the documents > referenced by the new-form "latest" URLs change in the future, > these documents will automatically also become available at the > current old-form "latest" URLs. > > 2) Every time a new document is published, both the new-form > "latest" URL and the old-form "latest" URL would be re-linked to > point to the new document. This does not require any HTTP > redirects, but it does require additional re-linking of "latest" > URLs each time new versions of the documents are published. > > The TC would be willing to accept either of these approaches. Which > of them would be most convenient for OASIS TC Admin and IT Services? > > Simon > > Mary McRae wrote: >> Hi Simon, >> The URLs for latest are not intended to be changed once >> established. I maintain a single set of symlinks for each >> specification. >> Regards, >> Mary >> On May 28, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Simon Holdsworth wrote: >>> >>> Mary, what is the issue with having both forms of "latest" URL >>> working? >>> >>> With CD02, we have the following files that are published, for >>> example for binding.jms: >>> >>> Existing URLs for published CD01 version: >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-cd01.html >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-cd01.doc >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec-cd01.pdf >>> >>> Within those documents, the latest version URLs: >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec.html >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec.doc >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-spec.pdf >>> >>> Requested URLs for published CD02 version: >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02.html >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02.doc >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02.pdf >>> >>> Requested latest URLs: >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec.html >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec.doc >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec.pdf >>> >>> So in order to support the new spelling of the latest URLs, I >>> agree that we should not change the existing documents. That >>> means that we need to: >>> >>> 1) make the existing latest URLs point at the CD02 versions of the >>> documents. I assume you would have to do that anyway. >>> 2) create new latest URLs that point at the CD02 versions of the >>> documents. This does entail some duplication of work if it not >>> possible to redirect the URLs in 1) to these as a one-off process. >>> >>> Regards, Simon >>> >>> Simon Holdsworth >>> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA Bindings >>> TC Chair >>> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK >>> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898 >>> Internet - Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com <mailto:Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> *Mary McRae <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >>> >>* >>> >>> 28/05/2009 15:16 >>> >>> >>> To >>> Anish Karmarkar <Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com <mailto:Anish.Karmarkar@oracle.com >>> >> >>> cc >>> Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM@IBMGB, sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:sca-bindings@lists.oasis-open.org >>> > >>> Subject >>> Re: [sca-bindings] Re: CD02 packages for SCA Bindings specs ready >>> for publication >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Anish, >>> >>> It has nothing to do with Kavi; these files are in a separate >>> web space. It's an IT decision / access / management issue. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 28, 2009, at 1:01 AM, Anish Karmarkar wrote: >>> >>> > Mary McRae wrote: >>> >> Hi Simon, >>> >> I'm sorry - it looks like that never made it into my queue. >>> My >> apologies! >>> >> We can't change the name of the latest version once >>> established - >> that breaks the reasoning behind them. We never >>> edit files once >> they've been uploaded, and we have no idea how >>> many people may have >> downloaded the file and will expect the >>> link to work going forward. >> We also don't support redirects. >>> > >>> > Why not? >>> > Is that a limitation of KAVI or is it a OASIS policy. >>> > Not supporting redirects on the Web seems very strange to me. >>> > >>> > -Anish >>> > -- >>> > >>> >> It's okay that the current filename and the latest version >> >>> filename are slightly different from my perspective; in all >> >>> likelihood people are clicking on the link and not paying too >>> much >> attention to the filename. The new filename doesn't seem >>> to be that >> different from the old one that should someone have >>> downloaded the >> file, they would be misled by the naming. >>> >> Let me know if you want me to edit the files or if you will >>> >> provide updated copies for uploading. >>> >> Regards, >>> >> Mary >>> >> Mary P McRae >>> >> Director, Standards Development >>> >> Technical Committee Administrator >>> >> OASIS: Advancing open standards for the information society >>> >> email: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >>> > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org> >> web: www.oasis-open.org <http://www.oasis-open.org >>> > <http://www.oasis-open.org> >>> >> twitter: fiberartisan #oasisopen >>> >> phone: 1.603.232.9090 >>> >> Standards are like parachutes: they work best when they're open. >>> >> On May 22, 2009, at 5:17 AM, Simon Holdsworth wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Mary, >>> >>> >>> >>> I sent this note some time ago, but did not get a response, >>> and I >>> can't see any of the updated versions available on the >>> OASIS site. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd appreciate it if you could let me know when these updated >>> >>> versions of the specifications will be published. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Simon >>> >>> >>> >>> Simon Holdsworth >>> >>> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA >>> Bindings >>> TC Chair >>> >>> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK >>> >>> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898 >>> >>> Internet - Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com <mailto:Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com >>> > <mailto:Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com >>> >>> > >>> >>> ----- Forwarded by Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM on 22/05/2009 10:16 >>> ----- >>> >>> *Simon Holdsworth/UK/IBM* >>> >>> >>> >>> 02/03/2009 11:27 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To >>> >>> <mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org >>> > <mailto:mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org>> >>> >>> cc >>> >>> >>> Subject >>> >>> CD02 packages for SCA Bindings specs ready >>> for publication >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mary, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have prepared the following packages for publication >>> containing >>> the CD02 versions of the SCA bindings specs, and >>> would appreciate >>> it if you could publish them on the OASIS >>> website: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/31480/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec-cd02.zip >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/31479/sca-binding-jms-1.1-spec-cd02.zip >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/sca-bindings/download.php/31478/sca-binding-jca-1.1-spec-cd02.zip >>> >>> >>> >>> The only specific note I have is that we changed the naming >>> of >>> these documents, so that the latest link on the old cd01 >>> pages, >>> which currently point to (for example): >>> >>> >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-wsbinding-1.1-spec.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> now need to point to: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-binding-ws-1.1-spec.html >>> >>> <http://docs.oasis-open.org/opencsa/sca-bindings/sca-wsbinding-1.1-spec.html >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I guess that can be done by redirecting the 3 URLs or >>> modifying >>> the 3 cd01 HTML pages for WS, JMS and JCA bindings. >>> >>> >>> >>> The cd02 packages all point to this latest URL. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, Simopn >>> >>> >>> >>> Simon Holdsworth >>> >>> STSM, SCA Bindings Architect; Master Inventor; OASIS SCA >>> Bindings >>> TC Chair >>> >>> MP 211, IBM UK Labs, Hursley Park, Winchester SO21 2JN, UK >>> >>> Tel +44-1962-815059 (Internal 245059) Fax +44-1962-816898 >>> >>> Internet - Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com <mailto:Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com >>> > <mailto:Simon_Holdsworth@uk.ibm.com >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> / >>> >>> / >>> >>> >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales >>> with >>> number 741598. >>> >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, >>> Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> / >>> >>> / >>> >>> >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales >>> with >>> number 741598. >>> >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, >>> Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> / >>> / >>> >>> /Unless stated otherwise above: >>> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with >>> number 741598. >>> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire >>> PO6 3AU/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >
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