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Subject: [sca-bindings] SCA Bindings TC - raw chat log for 2010-02-11


Raw chat below.

Laurent

Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: 

Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) 

Phone numbers: 

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Simon Holdsworth: Agenda
Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening 

Introductions 
Roll call 

Scribe assignment 

Top of the scribe list: 
Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc. 
Plamen Pavlov SAP AG 
Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited 
Bryan Aupperle IBM 
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation 
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation 
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation 
David Booz IBM 
Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. 

Agenda bashing 

2. Approval of the minutes from 4th February: 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36309/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-02-04.doc 

3. Actions 

20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases 
20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding schema appendix title to include 1.1 
20091015-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Raise new issues found during TA creation for obvious bugs in WS binding spec 
20091015-3 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #1 - review and determine appropriate update to copyright dates (all specs) 
20091015-4 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #2 - clarify the text describing the JCA binding (JCA only) 
20091015-5 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #3 - revise text to reword or remove as appropriate (JCA only) 
20091015-6 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #5 - caption all examples, figures, snippets, etc., scrub text of use of former, latter, above, below, following. Replace with precise references (all specs) 
20091015-7 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #6 - clean up the text with regards to this item (JCA only) 
20091015-8 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #8 - look at whether the non-normative references section is relevant still, or needs to be populated (all specs) 
20091015-9 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #9 - clean up naming conventions section (all specs) 
20091015-10 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #10 - look for cleanup to clarify optionality (all specs) 
20091015-11 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #11 - do something to clarify the different uses for the @uri attribute (JCA only) 
20091015-12 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #16 - mark Annexes as normative or not as appropriate (all specs) 
20100204-1 [Ashok Malhotra] Follow up with Jeff Mischkinsky on status of Oracles IETF JMS URL approval. 
20100204-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Produce a revision of the JMS binding spec including all the changes related to the discussion on issues BINDINGS-95, 96 and 106 

4. New Issues 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-112 
BWS20004 wording is incorrect 
(Includes simple proposed resolution) 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-113 
What does BWS20006 mean? 
(needs more discussion) 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-114 
BWS20010 wording is incorrect 
(Includes simple proposed resolution) 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-115 
BWS20014 wording is incorrect 
(Includes simple proposed resolution) 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-116 
BWS20027 wording needs tweaks 
(Includes simple proposed resolution) 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-117 
BWS20029 wording needs tweaks 
(Includes simple proposed resolution) 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-118 
BWS40005 is ambiguous 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-119 
BWS40006's final clause is unnecessary 
(Includes simple proposed resolution) 

5. Test Assertions/Test cases 

Current status: 

Overall: Awaiting current set of issues to be resolved and applied, at which point editors will need to update TA docs and then we can review them with the aim of getting to CD. 

Web Service binding TA document: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34571/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.odt 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34572/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.pdf 
Status: Draft completed; needs review 

JMS TA document: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36157/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.doc 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36158/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.pdf 
Status: Latest draft needs review. 

JCA TA document: 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36155/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.doc 
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36156/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.pdf 
Comment: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200909/msg00011.html 
Status: reviewed and issues raised. 

6. Open issue discussion 

Public review comment issues: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87 
Web Service callback standard is best done by the appropriate Web Services working groups 
Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned 
Priority: 1 (PR comment needing disposition) 
Status: latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200911/msg00001.html 

Other open issues: 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-95 
BJM30032 and BJM30035 conflict 
Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Proposed resolution in PDF attachment to email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00031.html 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-105 
BJM30025 has no normative keyword 
Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Proposed resolution in PDF attachment to email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00031.html 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-106 
BJM30027 has no normative keyword 
Raiser: Simon Holdsworth, owner: Simon Holdsworth 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Proposed resolution in PDF attachment to email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00031.html 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-101 
Opaque references - need for a terminology list? 
Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Proposed resolution in email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-102 
Need to specify all valid enumerations for @create attribute and others 
Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned 
Priority: Unassigned 
Status: Proposal in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00033.html 

http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60 
JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage 
Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth 
Priority: 3 (deferred) 
Status: outline proposal in issue 

7. AOB
Laurent Domenech: Minutes for the last meeting approved
Laurent Domenech: 20091015-1 [Anish Karmarkar] Raise new issues found during TA creation for obvious bugs in WS binding spec
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] this is complete
Laurent Domenech: 20100204-1 [Ashok Malhotra] Follow up with Jeff Mischkinsky on status of Oracles IETF JMS URL approval.
Laurent Domenech: No resolution yet, action item is complete, there is an issue open to track it
Laurent Domenech: 20100204-2 [Simon Holdsworth] Produce a revision of the JMS binding spec including all the changes related to the discussion on issues BINDINGS-95, 96 and 106
Laurent Domenech: Action completed
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-112
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] focus on sentence with normative keywords on them
Laurent Domenech: No discussion on the issue
Laurent Domenech: Anish move to open BINDINGS-112
Laurent Domenech: Dave seconds
Laurent Domenech: No objections, issue is opened
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] Move to resolve BINDINGS-112, with detail in Jira with Dave addition
Laurent Domenech: Dave B. seconds
Laurent Domenech: No other discussion, no objection, motion is passed, BINDINGS-112 is resolved
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-113
Laurent Domenech: [Simon] I agree that wording is not clear, but I don't agree on the resolution
Laurent Domenech: [Eric] I  disagree with the issue, because it includes an answer, and I disagree with the proposed resolution
Laurent Domenech: [Dave] I agree with Simon and Eric
Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-113, Dave B. seconds
Laurent Domenech: no objections, the motion is passed, issue BINDINGS-113 is open
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-114
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] it is similar to BINDINGS-112
Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-114, Eric seconds
Laurent Domenech: No objection, motion is passed, BINDINGS-114 is open
Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to resolve BINDINGS-114
Laurent Domenech: Dave B. seconds
Laurent Domenech: No objections, motion is passed, BINDINGS-114 is resolved
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-115
Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-115, Dave seconds
Laurent Domenech: no objections, the motion is passed, issue BINDINGS-115 is opened
Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to resolve BINDINGS-115
Laurent Domenech: Eric seconds
Laurent Domenech: There is a typo in the proposal, it should says Change BWS20014
Laurent Domenech: Dave amends that the resolution should say "Change BWS20014"
Laurent Domenech: Anish seconds the amendment
Laurent Domenech: no objections, the motion to adment passes
Laurent Domenech: No objections, amended motions passes, BINDINGS-115 is resolved
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-116
Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-116, Dave seconds
Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, issue BINDINGS-116 is opened
Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to resolve BINDINGS-116 with proposal in Jira
Laurent Domenech: Dave seconds
Laurent Domenech: Dave seconds
Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, issue BINDINGS-116 is resolved
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-117
Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-117, Eric seconds
Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, issue BINDINGS-117 is opened
Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to resolve BINDINGS-117 with proposal in Jira minus the asterisk
Laurent Domenech: Eric seconds
Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, issue BINDINGS-117 is resolved
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-118
Laurent Domenech: [Eric] it seems that it is an assembly issue that should say "any changes to behavior in the runtime environment should be expressed as policy"
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] the spec should define the default, vendor should not be able to define the default
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] vendor extensions should be clear in the SCDL
Laurent Domenech: [Dave] I have different views on what the extensions might be
Laurent Domenech: [Eric] I don't think this is a valid issue
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-118 is deferred until next week
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-119
Laurent Domenech: Issue should say "Description: BWS40006", a 0 is missing
Laurent Domenech: Anish moves to open BINDINGS-119
Laurent Domenech: Dave seconds
Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, BINDINGS-119 is opened
Laurent Domenech: [Eric] if it is changed to "can", it is not a normative statement anymore
Laurent Domenech: [Anish] normative statement would have to be removed
anish 8 issues in 40 minutes. that's not too bad
Laurent Domenech: Eric moves to resolve BINDINGS-119 by changing BWS40006  into a non normative statement and removing the corresponding test assertion
Laurent Domenech: Anish seconds
Laurent Domenech: Wording should be changed by replacing "MAY" by "can"
Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, BINDINGS-119 is resolved
Laurent Domenech: 6. Open issue discussion
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-95
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-105
Laurent Domenech: BINDINGS-106
Laurent Domenech: updates for the three issues described in Simon's email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00031.html
Laurent Domenech: [Eric] there is a missing link for the wire format, as mentioned in email
Laurent Domenech: Eric moves to resolved BINDINGS-95, BINDINGS-105, BINDINGS-106 with the changes identified in email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00031.html, with replace the reference in line 249, to section 3.2 by section 4
Laurent Domenech: Dave seconds
Laurent Domenech: no objections, motion passes, BINDINGS-95, BINDINGS-105 and BINDINGS-106 are resolved
Laurent Domenech: Simon: Meeting adjourned.  Next meeting same time next week.



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