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[11:56] Simon Holdsworth: Audio conference: Meeting Number: * 913929 * (press * before and after the digits) Phone numbers: Austria = Vienna 026822056419 Belgium = Brussels 022901709 China = Beijing 01052237296 Czech Republic = Prague 239014054 Denmark = Copenhagen 32714982 France = Lyon 0426840196 Marseille 0488915310 Paris 0170994364 France TollFree = 0800944795 Germany = Berlin 030726167296 Dusseldorf 021154073845 Frankfurt 069710445413 Hamburg 040809020620 Munich 089244432767 Stuttgart 0711490813212 Germany TollFree = 08006646304 India = Mumbai 02261501417 Ireland = Dublin 014367612 Italy = Milan 0230413007 Rome 06452108288 Turin 01121792100 Japan = Tokyo 0357675037 Netherlands = Amsterdam 0207965349 Poland Toll-free = 008001213648 Portugal Toll Free = 800782079 Russia = Moscow 84999222481 Russia Toll Free = 81080022074011 South Africa Toll-free = 0800982617 Spain = Barcelona 934923140 Madrid 917889793 Sweden = Stockholm 0850520404 Switzerland = Geneva 0225927186 UAE Toll-free = 8000440387 UK = Birmingham 01212604587 London 02071542988 Manchester 01612500379 UK Toll Free = 08003581667 USA = 19543344789 USA & Canada Toll Free = 18665289390
[11:56] Simon Holdsworth: Agenda
[11:56] Simon Holdsworth: 1. Opening Introductions Roll call Scribe assignment Top of the scribe list: Plamen Pavlov SAP AG Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited Bryan Aupperle IBM Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation David Booz IBM Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc. Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc. Agenda bashing 2. Approval of the minutes from 11th February: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36366/SCA%20Bindings%20minutes%202010-02-11.doc 3. Actions 20090211-4 [General] Write up HTTP binding use cases 20090709-2 [Editors] Update the WS binding schema appendix title to include 1.1 20091015-3 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #1 - review and determine appropriate update to copyright dates (all specs) 20091015-4 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #2 - clarify the text describing the JCA binding (JCA only) 20091015-5 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #3 - revise text to reword or remove as appropriate (JCA only) 20091015-6 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #5 - caption all examples, figures, snippets, etc., scrub text of use of former, latter, above, below, following. Replace with precise references (all specs) 20091015-7 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #6 - clean up the text with regards to this item (JCA only) 20091015-8 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #8 - look at whether the non-normative references section is relevant still, or needs to be populated (all specs) 20091015-9 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #9 - clean up naming conventions section (all specs) 20091015-10 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #10 - look for cleanup to clarify optionality (all specs) 20091015-11 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #11 - do something to clarify the different uses for the @uri attribute (JCA only) 20091015-12 [Editors] Re: BINDINGS-99 point #16 - mark Annexes as normative or not as appropriate (all specs) 4. New Issues http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-118 BWS40005 is ambiguous 5. Test Assertions/Test cases Current status: Overall: Awaiting current set of issues to be resolved and applied, at which point editors will need to update TA docs and then we can review them with the aim of getting to CD. Web Service binding TA document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34571/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.odt http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/34572/sca-wsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd02.pdf Status: Draft completed and issues raised; needs to be updated for resolved issues JMS TA document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36374/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd05.doc http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36375/sca-jmsbinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd05.pdf Status: Issues resolved and applied; latest draft needs review. JCA TA document: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36155/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.doc http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/36156/sca-jcabinding-1.1-test-assertions-wd04.pdf Comment: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200909/msg00011.html Status: Issues resolved and applied; latest draft needs review. 6. Open issue discussion Public review comment issues: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87 Web Service callback standard is best done by the appropriate Web Services working groups Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned Priority: 1 (PR comment needing disposition) Status: latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200911/msg00001.html Other open issues: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-101 Opaque references - need for a terminology list? Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned Priority: Unassigned Status: Proposed resolution in email http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-102 Need to specify all valid enumerations for @create attribute and others Raiser: PR comment, owner: Unassigned Priority: Unassigned Status: Proposal in email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00033.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-111 binding.jms uses JMS URI scheme even though it is not a valid IETF internet draft Raiser: Eric Johnson, owner: Unassigned Priority: Unassigned Status: Pending response from Oracle with respect to approval of the IETF draft http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-113 What does BWS20006 mean? Raiser: Anish Karmarkar, owner: Unassigned Priority: Unassigned Status: No proposed resolution; latest email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00046.html http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-60 JMS Default wire format insufficient to cover real world usage Raiser: Mike Edwards, owner: Simon Holdsworth Priority: 3 (deferred) Status: outline proposal in issue 7. AOB
[12:00] Bryan Aupperle: Scribe: Bryan Aupperle
[12:02] Bryan Aupperle: Meeting is quorate (60%)
[12:03] Bryan Aupperle: s/60%/70%/
[12:04] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Approval of the minutes from 11th February
[12:04] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Minutes approved w/o
[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Action Items
[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: 20091015-6 - Done
[12:05] Bryan Aupperle: All others pending.
[12:06] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-118 BWS40005 is ambiguous
[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: e-mail discussion re opening this should continue.
[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: Test Suite documents
[12:07] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: We need to update relative to resolved issues.
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-101 Opaque references - need for a terminology list?
[12:08] Bryan Aupperle: Proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html
[12:09] Bryan Aupperle: Simon reviews proposal
[12:10] anish: not a big fan of references in abstract (unless they are key), but the ones in the intro look fine to me
[12:13] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Other specs would potentially need similar changes so an AI against the editors should be raised
[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: No problem having this issue mandate changes in all three specs.
[12:14] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: We have typically kept separate issues since not always updated at the same time.
[12:19] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: There is at least one OASIS spec with references in its abstract.
[12:21] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Dave, second Anish: Resolve issue 101 with the proposal in the linked e-mail
[12:21] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion passes w/o
[12:22] Bryan Aupperle: AI (Editors): Make corresponding changes in JMS spec as per http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html
[12:22] Bryan Aupperle: AI (Editors): Make corresponding changes in WS spec as per http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200912/msg00013.html
[12:23] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-102 Need to specify all valid enumerations for @create attribute and others
[12:23] Bryan Aupperle: Proposed resolution: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00033.html
[12:23] Bryan Aupperle: Simon reviews proposal
[12:29] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: We have defined a schema type for create. So should we simply refer to the type.
[12:29] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: That does not provide a description of the semantics of each value.
[12:33] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Dave, second Mike: Resolve issue 102 with the proposal in the linked e-mail
[12:33] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion passes w/o
[12:33] Bryan Aupperle: AI (Editors): Make corresponding changes in JMS spec as per http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00033.html
[12:34] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-113 What does BWS20006 mean?
[12:34] Bryan Aupperle: Latest e-mail: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/201002/msg00046.html
[12:36] Bryan Aupperle: Simon reviews history of statement.
[12:37] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: One option is to make the statement non-normative.
[12:37] Bryan Aupperle: Dave: I could live with that.
[12:39] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: This is really related to the semantics of a operation invocation of a WSDL operation, which is really a message sent to a port. I agree with Dave's comment about being testable.
[12:40] Bryan Aupperle: Motion: Mike, second Dave: Close issue 113 with no action
[12:40] Bryan Aupperle: Resolution: Motion passes w/o
[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: http://www.osoa.org/jira/browse/BINDINGS-87 Web Service callback standard is best done by the appropriate Web Services working groups
[12:42] Bryan Aupperle: Latest e-mail: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/sca-bindings/200911/msg00001.html
[12:43] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: We cannot rely on something MIGHT be created by some group some time in the future.
[12:43] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: If something did get created, a future version of SCA could point to that.
[12:44] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: This is a PR comment so we need to respond.
[12:45] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: We did respond and reopened the issue after further comments were received.
[12:46] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: I already have composed a updated reply. It is in the latest e-mail.
[12:47] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: There is a problem with conformance for WSCallback and I have a proposal for that.
[12:48] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: You should raise that as a separate issue.
[12:48] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: Agreed.
[12:49] Bryan Aupperle: Eric: And that may lead to a resolution resulting in a separate spec.
[12:50] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: Most WS have an architecture section that addresses composability. SCAWSCallback is not very composable.
[12:50] Bryan Aupperle: Mike: This seems like good material for a primer or a Committee Note.
[12:51] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: No entity to point to this SCA-WSCallback document. Similar problem in WS-RM TC wrt polling.
[12:52] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: This is really a perception issue.
[12:55] Bryan Aupperle: Simon: Moving this to a separate spec opens up addtional use cases
[12:55] Bryan Aupperle: Anish: I disagree. It would only open it up to use by generic WS stacks
[12:56] Bryan Aupperle: Topic: AOB
[12:56] Bryan Aupperle: Straggler Role
[12:56] Bryan Aupperle: Meeting adjourned
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